EU referendum deal (title edited)

[Prestwich_Blue]

To me it's quite simple. If you join a club you accept its rules or you don't join. What you don't do is join, object to the rules that don't suit you then demand they don't apply to you and that you want some different ones that do suit you. Imagine us (or any club) demanding of the Premier League that we are exempt from the laws on handball or offside? We'd be told to sling our hook.

So we're either a member on the same terms agreed by the other member nations or we're not a member at all. And having been an enthusiastic supporter of our original entry, I want out now.

 

[purplenose]

To me it's quite simple. If you join a club you accept its rules or you don't join. What you don't do is join, object to the rules that don't suit you then demand they don't apply to you and that you want some different ones that do suit you. Imagine us (or any club) demanding of the Premier League that we are exempt from the laws on handball or offside? We'd be told to sling our hook.

So we're either a member on the same terms agreed by the other member nations or we're not a member at all. And having been an enthusiastic supporter of our original entry, I want out now.

Given that we seem to think its ok for anyone coming here to kick off and demand we change our rules for them....its surely no suprise that Cameron would think the rest of Europe is equally stupid.

 

[hgblue]

Scottish vote all over again.

That's how I see it. A largely sceptical public will be brow beaten into voting to stay in by warnings of economic disaster, and promises to curb mass immigration and to end ever closer union. Once this referendum is out of the way it will be business as usual and those who reluctantly voted to stay in will be feeling that they've been duped.

 

[Len Rum]

You can be both pro EU and pro referendum. In fact both the Tories and Greens suggested that in their manifestos. Labour and the Libs fell down because they preached to the electorate - "we know what's best for you so don't worry yourselves about it". The electorate either didn't believe them or got pissed off.

You were obviously one of those who were duped by call me Dave.
Of course you can be pro EU and pro referendum as was Dave - pro EU because that's what he believes in and pro referendum because that was of political advantage to his party.
He is prepared to sacrifice the former for the latter.

 

[CityStu]

You were obviously one of those who were duped by call me Dave.
Of course you can be pro EU and pro referendum as was Dave - pro EU because that's what he believes in and pro referendum because that was of political advantage to his party.
He is prepared to sacrifice the former for the latter.

I didn't vote Tory.

 

[Dave Ewing's Back 'eader]

It's debatable as to who has changed the rules. We joined a TRADE club and the next thing yer know we've got European foreign minister, European MPs, European parliament, open borders, bailouts for deadbeats, and we find that the train timetable is first class all the way for gravy trains.

 

[inbetween]

Starting to accept we are going to leave and probably that we need to. It will definitely be worse for the country economically but currently the reality of staying is boiling to intolerable. It's not just us that need renegotiating but every other country and none of that will be allowed to happen whilst democracy is being sucked out of decision making. Countries like Germany just hold too much power when it comes to the big decisions along with the unelected clowns in Brussels. Why are we negotiating with the likes of Merkel, surely we should be negotiating at the table with every single EU member equal?

I don't mind bailing out other countries or handing more money out to help migrants or anything like that which has been painted negatively today. I think ultimately the human element should be preserved even if you aren't in the EU. My problem at the moment is that the European elite are not representing anyone but themselves. Until that system collapses and reforms we just cannot be a part of a union in which we have no say in. The whole system urgently needs reform that better fits the global climate it is in.

 

[OnlyOneUweRosler]

The EU says that criminals should have more rights than their victims. We should leave the EU as soon as possible.

 

[mat]

Starting to accept we are going to leave and probably that we need to. It will definitely be worse for the country economically but currently the reality of staying is boiling to intolerable. It's not just us that need renegotiating but every other country and none of that will be allowed to happen whilst democracy is being sucked out of decision making. Countries like Germany just hold too much power when it comes to the big decisions along with the unelected clowns in Brussels. Why are we negotiating with the likes of Merkel, surely we should be negotiating at the table with every single EU member equal?

I don't mind bailing out other countries or handing more money out to help migrants or anything like that which has been painted negatively today. I think ultimately the human element should be preserved even if you aren't in the EU. My problem at the moment is that the European elite are not representing anyone but themselves. Until that system collapses and reforms we just cannot be a part of a union in which we have no say in. The whole system urgently needs reform that better fits the global climate it is in.

If the vote is no what are the plans in place?

We have no manufacturing industry. A Tory government taking lessons from China on how to fuck its workers into poverty. I can't see it ending well.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I reckon the deal is irellevant the UK has to decide will it deal with the real problems or blame Europe and carry on down the same path, create new ones and then have to face up to them when they are bigger and harder in a few years.