EU referendum deal (title edited)

It seems to me that a lot of the reasons people are saying they want to vote out for will stay the same. Eg immigration in or out will continue to rise because we need immigration to fill the workforce and keep tax revenues high to afford the pensions of an aging population, control of armed forces, we'd still be in NATO.. We'd save money we might but I think it's likely we will have to spend the 10bill or more employing more civil servants and renegotiating trade agreements etc. Also with no euro rules to safeguard workers, and Scotland probably jumping ship England will likely have a Tory Government for a long time to come? I am undecided but leaning towards in? Am following as much of the debates as I can it could be a massive balls up given global issues if we fuck this up.
 
To the average man/women on this forum, what will be the real difference either way?

I wanted to Scots to go independent and see how they got on so I am considering an 'out' vote. Why not leave then if it doesn't work reapply for membership in 5-10yrs? If they'll have Poland and Lithuania, I'm sure they'll hav us!
Whereas if we vote 'in' we will be in for, at least(I reckon), another 50yrs
 
Blue Hefner said:
I thought that was the case but wanted to make sure. It's for a different thread but I fucking hate those daft two word 'words'! Why do they do it, to save space for more print or do they think the public are too stupid to understand two words?
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It's called A Portmanteau... Or "Frankenword"

Blame Lewis Carroll. And /or Humpty Dumpty.

As for The EU. I think leaving is a far worse idea than staying. We're in a strong position, relatively, being in the EU but outside the Eurozone. They need us in. So they'll give us more leeway to keep us. If we leave, and then Scotland go back in (they can and will) then that's the UK gone.

The remaining EU will wash their hands of us (probably), certainly in the short term, which will (probably) mean higher prices for most imports. We'll have to try to renegotiate deals with them and everyone else beyond from a position of relative weakness.

Also there's a very real possibility that us leaving the EU will, further, destabilise Europe and that really is not a good thing for us at all.

All this "Do you want to be responsible for your own future..." rhetoric is nonsense and is based in nothing other than tribalism. Of course we're all responsible for our own lives and futures on an individual day to day basis, but the risks to that life, for an uncertain future, are just not worth it IMO. If you want to be "responsible" then take the sensible/less risky option...

The EU is far from perfect but show me any country/state that is.

I'll be voting to remain.
 
I'm undecided but leaning more towards us leaving. But I will keep myself up to date on both sides of the argument and try and make an informed decision in 4 months.
 
Unfortunately, in spite of how amazingly good Cameron's deal is, I still won't get to directly elect the EU's legislators so I'm still voting out.

I'll take democracy over a Soviet style system of government any day.
 
The perfect fumble said:
There are good reasons why of all the 28 countries who've joined the EU, not one has left.

And neither will we.
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Very complacent you may be in for a shock

ps the vast majority of that 28 are net gainers and as members their Citizens can walk straight into the UK so why in hell would they want to leave?
 
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