EU referendum deal (title edited)

Not sure why you are using this argument. It was debunked weeks ago as utter nonsense.
The french cannot choose to export their camp of illegal immigrants across the channel whether or not we are in the EU. Those same illegal immigrants are currently refusing to move into purpose built accommodation as they don't want to break up their "community". The French have failed to deal with it and they will fail to deal with it in the future but as these people are in France, if they try to illegally enter the UK we can simply deport them back to France.

France know this which is why they are happy for us to pay for the policing of their border rather than have to deal with a constant flow of returning illegal immigrants.

Don't you think the French would like their police to do more important jobs than crowd control!

Maybe the French authorities would like their security forces to be focussed on the security of their population!

Likewise, have we got sufficient border control forces to be deporting crowds of economic migrants on a daily basis? I can't see that as a better use of possible savings on our EU membership fee.
 
Don't you think the French would like their police to do more important jobs than crowd control!

Maybe the French authorities would like their security forces to be focussed on the security of their population!

Likewise, have we got sufficient border control forces to be deporting crowds of economic migrants on a daily basis? I can't see that as a better use of possible savings on our EU membership fee.

Yes we do it already.
 
The benefits issue is largely for an internal Conservative party debate. It will be important to some voters though!

I won't go over all the benefits of Membership that I and others have listed by 70 years of peace in Europe is a decent start.
70 years of peace in Europe has got nothing whatsoever to do with the Common Market/EU.
 
Don't you think the French would like their police to do more important jobs than crowd control!

Maybe the French authorities would like their security forces to be focussed on the security of their population!

Likewise, have we got sufficient border control forces to be deporting crowds of economic migrants on a daily basis? I can't see that as a better use of possible savings on our EU membership fee.

one simply point you miss
We would no longer be an eu member so all refugees would have to claim asylum in the first safe country ie in the EU as per International law
we could just send then straight back to France as they would be an EU problem

And as everyone is predicting we will not be allowed to trade with the EU, the tunnel will be obsolete so we can just brick it up problem solved!
 
one simply point you miss
We would no longer be an eu member so all refugees would have to claim asylum in the first safe country ie in the EU as per International law
we could just send then straight back to France as they would be an EU problem

That international law is supposed to happen now! Otherwise people are much more likely to be economic migrants than refugees!
 
It will get very interesting if the European Parliament vote against the deal.

Yes Cameron didn't get all that he wanted and in some ways it would have been counter productive if he had. We don't want Poles who have come here to work to feel like second or third class citizens (not to be confused with season car holders). We have enough problems with divided communities already.

This deal was supposed to address the piss takers re. Benefits and to some extent it does that!

That said, we have home grown people who abuse the benefits system as well.
It hardly touches the issue of benefits. A four year graduated reduction of in work benefits over a one off seven year period (emergency brake) and then after this we can't apply these reductions again( I'm still not sure whether we have to get permission from the other member states for the emergency brake).
The impact on the numbers of migrant workers will be minimal and it will save about 2s/6d.
 
70 years of peace in Europe has got nothing whatsoever to do with the Common Market/EU.
To say its got 'nothing' to do with the EU, merely demonstrates an inability on your part to think objectively about the subject matter, AC.

It could be said its role was partial, minor or even nugatory (I'd disagree with all three) but to say that a union of nations, created with the express and enduring intention of closer co-operation, that has survived intact for over 60 years, in a period of unprecedented peace for our continent that is broadly concurrent with those 60 years, are completely unconnected, is absurd and as ridiculous as suggesting NATO played no role in that peace either.
 

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