EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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Helmet Cole said:
So, you have no idea what would happen if we left then? I understand your logic that at least we know what we're getting with the EU, but the same logic would have prevented the wright brothers from experimenting with their lighter than air flying machines. The journey to Australia would be a fair bit slower.
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How many young aviators from that period lost their lives I wonder? And how many of those new-fangled attempts at flying, never actually flew.
 
The European Commission issued a formal recommendation that visa requirements for 75 million Turks be lifted. It means that the population will be able to enter the Schengen zone for 90 days with just a passport.

It made the decision despite Ankara failing to meet five of 72 “benchmarks” set out by the EU as a condition for entry.

The offer of visa-free travel was a sweetener in a major €6 billion deal struck between Turkey and the European Union in March.

In exchange, Turkey has stemmed the flow of migrants over the Aegean to a trickle, and agreed to take back any asylum seekers who do cross into Greece.

But in uncompromising public bargaining, Turkish leaders vowed to “terminate” the deal and trigger a return to chaos unless the visas were awarded.

The proposal must now be approved by national governments and the European Parliament.

Today’s announcement will fuel claims that Europe has been blackmailed by the increasingly authoritarian Turkish government.

(From the Telegraph 04/05/16),

Now you might not think a lot of the telegraph, in which case go and do your own research, but its pure bullshit to dismiss it happening as remote or even far into the future
 
urmston said:
Turkey's membership of the EU is undoubtedly back on the agenda.

Cameron has been strongly in favour of Turkey joining the EU and if he wins the referendum he'll probably push for it as soon as possible.

Together, I want us to pave the road from Ankara to Brussels

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/pm-backs-turkeys-eu-bid
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By way of offering a bit of balance to that debate:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35832035

"Stop Turkish accession", demanded a Dutch MEP. The head of the largest group in the European Parliament, the EPP's Manfred Weber, said: "my group is very sceptical as regards full membership of Turkey. We don't think that's a good idea for either side."

"In reality, however, Turkey's membership of the EU still feels far off. Why?

For a start, it is very difficult for would-be members to clear all the hurdles required. A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start."
 
Chippy_boy said:
By way of offering a bit of balance to that debate:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-35832035

"Stop Turkish accession", demanded a Dutch MEP. The head of the largest group in the European Parliament, the EPP's Manfred Weber, said: "my group is very sceptical as regards full membership of Turkey. We don't think that's a good idea for either side."

"In reality, however, Turkey's membership of the EU still feels far off. Why?

For a start, it is very difficult for would-be members to clear all the hurdles required. A country has to adopt and enforce all the current EU rules before it can be admitted to the bloc. EU rules are divided into 35 policy areas and in 10 years Turkey only managed to adopt the rules on one: science and research. In most other areas it has not even made a start."
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The EU can bend or ignore any rules it wants. Look at the Euro fiasco with Greece or the referendums that were reheld when the people voted incorrectly.

If we stay in the EU it is probable that Turkey will become a fellow member quite soon.
 
urmston said:
The EU can bend or ignore any rules it wants. Look at the Euro fiasco with Greece or the referendums that were reheld when the people voted incorrectly.

If we stay in the EU it is probable that Turkey will become a fellow member quite soon.
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EDIT, I just re-read what you wrote.

"it is probable that Turkey will become a fellow member quite soon."????@@!!!

What an absolute load of cobblers. It is VERY far from probable.
Merkel: Turkish EU-membership ‘not on the agenda’

Anything's *possible*, but as the BBC analysis shows, it's not exactly likely given the obstacles and the mood. I hadn't realised, but even Merkel is going off the idea. So you wouldn't want to be accused of scaremongering, would you. I thought only Remainers did scaremongering ;-)
 
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Little bit of cherry picking there....
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EalingBlue2 said:
No being in the EU means we maintain a voice as we decline to 6th 7th 8th which given growth, demographics, technology etc is inevitable
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We?

You've said you're never returning.

Why don't you stick to £23 packets of fags and taxing back packers at 32%.
 
Not been on this thread for a while, the poll gap has widened in that time. So I just looked at the odds, staying in is quite a firm odds on on Betfair @ 1.45 (4/9 in old odds) and leaving the EU is at 3.2 (11/5 in old odds)

If it was just England deciding those odds would be a lot closer but Scotland and to a lesser extent Wales and NI are much more pro Europe, thus its more than likely we will remain in the EU.

All you bitter xenophobes better get used to the idea ;-p
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Not been on this thread for a while, the poll gap has widened in that time. So I just looked at the odds, staying in is quite a firm odds on on Betfair @ 1.45 (4/9 in old odds) and leaving the EU is at 3.2 (11/5 in old odds)

If it was just England deciding those odds would be a lot closer but Scotland and to a lesser extent Wales and NI are much more pro Europe, thus its more than likely we will remain in the EU.

All you bitter xenophobes better get used to the idea ;-p
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It's interesting that the poll on here is so strongly out of line with other polls. And interestingly, as someone else pointed out, wildly different from the poll on the rags' forum which is very strongly "in". I was about to say, "so it can't be just a Manchester thing" and then I remembered none of them are from Manchester ;-)

But anyway, I digress. I wonder why Bluemoon sentiment is so out of kilter with the other polls?
 
Chippy_boy said:
It's interesting that the poll on here is so strongly out of line with other polls. And interestingly, as someone else pointed out, wildly different from the poll on the rags' forum which is very strongly "in". I was about to say, "so it can't be just a Manchester thing" and then I remembered none of them are from Manchester ;-)

But anyway, I digress. I wonder why Bluemoon sentiment is so out of kilter with the other polls?
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I started off in. I'm a europhile and staying in is far better for my personal business.

Having said that, Ealing is hypocrite and fucking annoying which is why I personally changed my vote.
 
SWP's back said:
I started off in. I'm a europhile and staying in is far better for my personal business.

Having said that, Ealing is hypocrite and fucking annoying which is why I personally changed my vote.
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Lol - you are soooooo impressionable!!

I would never let an individual change the way I voted in such a manner. Surely there are some that are for an exit that you find equally annoying, you seem so angry at so much after all ;-p

For example, I find some fundamentalist atheists as annoying as fundamentalist god squadders, yet it doesnt mean I am going to go to church all of a sudden just because of them.

In anycase you wont get a vote on this anyway... do one!!
 
Paul Lake's Left Knee said:
Not been on this thread for a while, the poll gap has widened in that time. So I just looked at the odds, staying in is quite a firm odds on on Betfair @ 1.45 (4/9 in old odds) and leaving the EU is at 3.2 (11/5 in old odds)

If it was just England deciding those odds would be a lot closer but Scotland and to a lesser extent Wales and NI are much more pro Europe, thus its more than likely we will remain in the EU.

All you bitter xenophobes better get used to the idea ;-p
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These are the same people who had Leicester at 5000 - 1
 
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