EU referendum

[Helmet Cole]

I don't think countries will exist in a century so I see the above as a fairly inevitable outcome of the world becoming one large corporate so I don't fear the inevitable

As a confirmed federalist why not just say this than trying to say being in the EU is better for our country? Imagine there's no countries, its easy if you try - john Lennon.

 

[Pam]

There may be left field ways around it but currently people need to follow the work and house prices are astronomical around employment centres. Ergo we need more houses around employment centres or more employment centres well away from the current employment centres.

What I am sure of is that adding an unknown amount of people every year makes it impossible for the government to know how many houses are required.

As a confirmed federalist why not just say this than trying to say being in the EU is better for our country? Imagine there's no countries, its easy if you try - john Lennon.

Yes. Little Englanders ought to be more irrelevant than they would appear to be ... imho

 

[Metal Biker]

As a confirmed federalist why not just say this than trying to say being in the EU is better for our country? Imagine there's no countries, its easy if you try - john Lennon.

I always loved the musical version of the Communist Manifesto!

Well, not really, always preferred the remake by that Gallagher bloke. I'm an uncultured swine, I know.

 

[Helmet Cole]

58.4% and rising.

 

[CityStu]

Yes. Little Englanders ought to be more irrelevant than they would appear to be ... imho

Honestly, please read. There is a huge difference between uncontrolled immigration (which we are forced to accept by the EU) and controlled immigration (which the vast majority of Out voters want).

 

[aguero93:20]

First point: I'd have to disagree there. A Government with a strong enough majority (Like Labour 97-01) was able to implement many new policies as the opposition (rejected by the electorate) wasn;t strong enough to oppose them. And they were clearly popular policies as they were voted in again.
Second point: The House of Lords can veto, but the House of Commons has the power to abolish the House of Lords, especially if the public was behind one of the motions put forward to them. It's a case of scrub my back, i'll scrub yours. In either case, the EU has had no influence here; unless it goes to one of the many European Courts, again highlighting their totalitarian aspect.
Third point: Can't see how any of that would affect Britain in the case of a exit.
Fourth point: It gives us no right to vote on future EU matters, no. But by then i'd be more concerned with getting our own house in order, which is kind of the point. Trade negotiations however have to be agreed upon as per Article 50 of the Lisbon Treaty.
Fifth point: The FPTP is indeed flawed. We tried to change it with the 'Alternative Vote' back in...2011? It failed, but again, as highlighted, this isn't about getting the choices we PERSONALLY want, it is the collective vote of the British voters and the path we choose for ourselves and ANY vote we undertake is a result of one side of the debate being more convincing that the other, instead of..."We're the EU....you do what WE say, you don't have a voice."

You call it mob rule, I call it direct democratic method. If something is being implemented you don't like, call for a referendum on it, propose a convincing argument, but don't cry foul if others fail to be convinced.

Labour didn't change European policy and couldn't.

The commons can't abolish the lords, they've tried in the past. Besides, only having a one house system would be an awful idea, the Americans have it spot on here in terms of system.

Voting on EU matters, or not, won't change the problems with the UK political system as per the original point 4.

The transatlantic trade agreement hasn't been passed so when was it vetoed?

Your politicians have had plenty of chances to get their house in order. The EU has never stopped them, they've never tried and you've all kept voting for the cunts.

 

[aguero93:20]

Ergo we need more houses around employment centres or more employment centres well away from the current employment centres.

Yes you do, that's domestic policy though.

I'll try to get the funding figures for public housing funding commons vs EU before Friday bud, it's my year end in work, so pretty busy. That alright?

 

[CityStu]

Yes you do, that's domestic policy though.

I'll try to get the funding figures for public housing funding commons vs EU before Friday bud, it's my year end in work, so pretty busy. That alright?

Agreed, but you need too know the numbers you're working with IMO.

Absolutely! There are far more important things in life than proving things to little old me.

 

[aguero93:20]

As a confirmed federalist why not just say this than trying to say being in the EU is better for our country? Imagine there's no countries, its easy if you try - john Lennon.

I'll admit to being a federalist with protected powers for local government.

By local government I mean councils though, not 500 or so pricks ruling a country of 64 million or so, that's feudalism.

 

[aguero93:20]

Agreed, but you need too know the numbers you're working with IMO.

Absolutely! There are far more important things in life than proving things to little old me.

I did say it was a gut feeling :) Although one based on experience.