EU referendum

[YPhrunts]

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What they actually mean is that the EU economies will collapse and that will be bad for them given how much they have invested in Greece.

You got it in one. I think they were hoping nobody would see it that way. Without our financial input the EU will become even more precarious than it is already leading to financial instability across the Union, but that 'aint our problem after Brexit is it.
Also If the UK is SO important to Europe and Global financial stability, why wasn't Cameron able to achieve more in his negotiations?
Quite simply it's because we cannot manoeuvre round the Treaties enshrined in EU law and they don't see 'the project' being spoilt by little Englanders. Now they are beginning to see the folly of their intransigence and push out the scare stories to support Cameron. See my earlier post on page 77

 

[aguero93:20]

Ref from the first Kiev game for the away leg of the semi and the final or we vote out.

 

[cibaman]

You got it in one. I think they were hoping nobody would see it that way. Without our financial input the EU will become even more precarious than it is already leading to financial instability across the Union, but that 'aint our problem after Brexit is it.
Also If the UK is SO important to Europe and Global financial stability, why wasn't Cameron able to achieve more in his negotiations?
Quite simply it's because we cannot manoeuvre round the Treaties enshrined in EU law and they don't see 'the project' being spoilt by little Englanders. Now they are beginning to see the folly of their intransigence and push out the scare stories to support Cameron. See my earlier post on page 77

They're not putting out a scare story. Just making a statement of the bleedin obvious. Albeit one that has been taken out of context by the media.

The IMF haven't undertaken a detailed analysis of Brexit over say a 20 year period and concluded that it will be a failure. They've simply updated their routinely produced World Economic Outlook and decided that, during the 5 year period that they're looking at, it represents a negative risk factor for the world economy. It would create uncertainty, protracted negotiations etc. Quelle surprise! Surely even the most fervent Brexiters would accept that Brexit isn't going to instantly transform the UK economy? Any economic benefits would be over the longer term.

And even if Brexit is hugely beneficial, economically, for the UK in the next 5 years, that doesn't mean that the IMF are wrong. Its the "World Economic Outlook", not the "UK economic Outlook". IF the UK instantly prospers outside of the EU, that would have negative consequences for the rest of the EU. The IMF's view that Brexit represents a negative risk factor for the world economy in the short term, seems to me to be undeniable.

Of course, the few sentences in the 230 page report have been taken out of context by the Stay campaign. But that doesn't mean that this report has been produced as part of a grand conspiracy.

 

[hgblue]

Well then. No point the inners arguing there case at all then. Might aswell leave it to the Outers as everything with be Bright and Rosy. Despite what the IMF say.

Could be.

 

[YPhrunts]

They're not putting out a scare story. Just making a statement of the bleedin obvious. Albeit one that has been taken out of context by the media.

The IMF haven't undertaken a detailed analysis of Brexit over say a 20 year period and concluded that it will be a failure. They've simply updated their routinely produced World Economic Outlook and decided that, during the 5 year period that they're looking at, it represents a negative risk factor for the world economy. It would create uncertainty, protracted negotiations etc. Quelle surprise! Surely even the most fervent Brexiters would accept that Brexit isn't going to instantly transform the UK economy? Any economic benefits would be over the longer term.

And even if Brexit is hugely beneficial, economically, for the UK in the next 5 years, that doesn't mean that the IMF are wrong. Its the "World Economic Outlook", not the "UK economic Outlook". IF the UK instantly prospers outside of the EU, that would have negative consequences for the rest of the EU. The IMF's view that Brexit represents a negative risk factor for the world economy in the short term, seems to me to be undeniable.

Of course, the few sentences in the 230 page report have been taken out of context by the Stay campaign. But that doesn't mean that this report has been produced as part of a grand conspiracy.

Fair comment. The IMF have made their point. Lets see if they keep banging on about it up to the point of referendum. Then we'll know whether it's attempted scaremongering or just objective reporting.

 

[hgblue]

They're not putting out a scare story. Just making a statement of the bleedin obvious. Albeit one that has been taken out of context by the media.

The IMF haven't undertaken a detailed analysis of Brexit over say a 20 year period and concluded that it will be a failure. They've simply updated their routinely produced World Economic Outlook and decided that, during the 5 year period that they're looking at, it represents a negative risk factor for the world economy. It would create uncertainty, protracted negotiations etc. Quelle surprise! Surely even the most fervent Brexiters would accept that Brexit isn't going to instantly transform the UK economy? Any economic benefits would be over the longer term.

And even if Brexit is hugely beneficial, economically, for the UK in the next 5 years, that doesn't mean that the IMF are wrong. Its the "World Economic Outlook", not the "UK economic Outlook". IF the UK instantly prospers outside of the EU, that would have negative consequences for the rest of the EU. The IMF's view that Brexit represents a negative risk factor for the world economy in the short term, seems to me to be undeniable.

Of course, the few sentences in the 230 page report have been taken out of context by the Stay campaign. But that doesn't mean that this report has been produced as part of a grand conspiracy.

It's going to be hilarious if we vote to leave watching these so called experts eating lashings of humble pie when we prosper outside the EU. Remind me again what these experts predicted would happen if we didn't join the Euro? The economy would collapse? Inward investment would cease? Sound familiar?

 

[blueonblue]

how do you work that one out?

As your logic claimed that the vote to reject was somehow invalid because of only a 32% turnout, then it follows that not only did not that 68% NOT support the EU enough to get off there arse, but with the 20.33% of the turnout that did vote against it translates into 88.33% of available voters did not support the EU position.

Or you can accept that of the votes cast and counted the overwhelming majority were against, and that as it was being seen as a guild to how people feel on the EU, it was one big f*ck off.

 

[stonerblue]

As your logic claimed that the vote to reject was somehow invalid because of only a 32% turnout, then it follows that not only did not that 68% NOT support the EU enough to get off there arse, but with the 20.33% of the turnout that did vote against it translates into 88.33% of available voters did not support the EU position.

Or you can accept that of the votes cast and counted the overwhelming majority were against, and that as it was being seen as a guild to how people feel on the EU, it was one big f*ck off.

Why do you presume the non-voters don't support the EU?

 

[jimbopm]

Funny how people are taking pot-shots at the IMF's warnings on A Brexit. Wonder if those same people would be criticising them if they had come out and said a Brexit would be good for the world economy?

 

[blueinsa]

Funny how people are taking pot-shots at the IMF's warnings on A Brexit. Wonder if those same people would be criticising them if they had come out and said a Brexit would be good for the world economy?

But then you wouldn't have been fawning over it I guess ;-)