EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

No one saying they want near zero immigrantion. They just don't want completely open borders allowing anyone in to claim benefits, housing and cause a burden on our NHS, other services and roads which are already suffering due to a ever growing population.

So you want the productivity, growth and tax from immigration but want them to gain nothing by coming, that's fantasy economics . The burden on the NHS factually is driven by aged people , alcohol and obese people all of which are much lower amongst immigrants - the reality is immigrants pay to prop up the local aged population but that doesn't make for a good story

 

[cibaman]

All existing terms and conditions remain in place for 2 years after we vote for independence. So you have nothing to worry about in the short term.

Its not the changes to terms and conditions that particularly bothers me. Its the power struggle that will break out within the Tory party and completely dominate politics. Boris taking over as PM. Other Leavers being appointed to the Cabinet not because they're any good but simply to bolster his position during the negotiations. The lack of focus on the economy, the NHS, education, or anything apart from the Brexit arrangements.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Its not the changes to terms and conditions that particularly bothers me. Its the power struggle that will break out within the Tory party and completely dominate politics. Boris taking over as PM. Other Leavers being appointed to the Cabinet not because they're any good but simply to bolster his position during the negotiations. The lack of focus on the economy, the NHS, education, or anything apart from the Brexit arrangements.

Given the small majority the government have, there's little chance that Cameron could survive a vote of confidence. After that, there'd be riots if a general was not called quickly.

Pretty well the only thing the Conservatives could do to lose the next generation is to elect Johnson as their next leader. It's most unlikely that they will do so, although they did manage to lose the 2005 election by giving the leadership to Howard. I reckon they've learned from that and they have dozens, if not hundreds, of better candidates.

 

[cibaman]

Given the small majority the government have, there's little chance that Cameron could survive a vote of confidence. After that, there'd be riots if a general was not called quickly.

Pretty well the only thing the Conservatives could do to lose the next generation is to elect Johnson as their next leader. It's most unlikely that they will do so, although they did manage to lose the 2005 election by giving the leadership to Howard. I reckon they've learned from that and they have dozens, if not hundreds, of better candidates.

There wasn't a general election when Brown replaced Blair, there will not be one if Johnson replaces Cameron. The Tories will not lose a vote of confidence.

If the Leavers win the vote, they're not going to allow Cameron or any pro EU tory to take charge of the Brexit negotiations. Cameron will probably resign, but if he doesn't it only takes 50 anti EU MPs to force a leadership contest. One of the two candidates that will be put to the membership will be a Leaver, probably Johnson, and the membership will vote for the Leaver.

 

[whp.blue]

Almost. It's 12% of our GDP vs 7% of the EU's GDP. As a percentage of exports, as I said above, 45% of the UK’s exports go to the EU, compared to just 7% of EU exports which come to the UK.

Yet people on here think we'd be in the driving seat with any negotiations? Let alone the fact that France would undoubtedly be saying "fuck you" - as they always do - for us having the temerity to leave.

I think you are being slightly disingenuous using those figures
12% of one Economy is a whole lot less than 7% of 20 plus economies I would like you to quote in pounds or Euros what those % actually mean in real terms

 

[whp.blue]

So you want the productivity, growth and tax from immigration but want them to gain nothing by coming, that's fantasy economics . The burden on the NHS factually is driven by aged people , alcohol and obese people all of which are much lower amongst immigrants - the reality is immigrants pay to prop up the local aged population but that doesn't make for a good story

Selective generalization again so here is one of mine purely for balance

Immigrants bring their own medical issues with some very expensive long term issues that are more prevalent in their own race and immigrants have much higher levels of smoking

but hey your quote looked good without any facts

 

[BlueHammer85]

So you want the productivity, growth and tax from immigration but want them to gain nothing by coming, that's fantasy economics . The burden on the NHS factually is driven by aged people , alcohol and obese people all of which are much lower amongst immigrants - the reality is immigrants pay to prop up the local aged population but that doesn't make for a good story

Out of interest would you always stick by this argument ... What if millions of immigrants arrive in our country over the next few years - are you saying no amount of migrants would put a strain on our country ? Will you just stick your fingers in your ears and blame the old age, alcoholic, obese people. Everyone but migrants ?

 

[stonerblue]

Because sweeping the reality under the carpet really works...

Maybe you could try making your point without calling

No one saying they want near zero immigrantion. They just don't want completely open borders allowing anyone in to claim benefits, housing and cause a burden on our NHS, other services and roads which are already suffering due to a ever growing population.

we don't have completely open borders or allow anyone to claim benefits now.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Maybe you could try making your point without calling


we don't have completely open borders or allow anyone to claim benefits now.

Are you happy with our border controls ?

 

[sir baconface]

Maybe you could try making your point without calling

I'm loving the irony.