EU referendum

[EalingBlue2]

Fair points, I'm just glad we weren't so defeatist in 1914 and 1939. I appreciate there is a global market and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but that is something totally different to being constrained by major powers. I take great exception to nPower and EDF to name but two major energy companies that are owned by the Germans and French respectively charging British based Comapnies (like the Steel industry) significantly more for the energy than they charge their own home based businesses.

You might consider it naiive in the extreme to want to retain what we have left of our independence and that's fair enough I don't. Either way I know things will never be the same again... This is now a broken nation unfortunately and this will manifest itself whichever way the vote goes. All I can say about remain is... if we're in, then we're in and we should stop fannying around with special circumstances, let's get politically integrated, open the borders and sign up for the Euro. What we're facing at the moment is the very the very worst scenario if we remain.

Do you mind me asking what you attracted you to leaving this country and setting up in Australia? Very admirable thing to do and personally it is something I might have liked to have done - though is too late now. However I didn't you did.

Will you ever come back to the UK or that will that depend upon whether or not we're in or out....? Just interested, hope the questions don't offend you.

Not offended in the slightest and happy to answer .

I would love to say I moved here because of a rational decision and because of the fact Australia has so much space, so much agriculture and raw material, or because of jobs or because it is positioned in the middle of economic growth.
The truth is I moved here for the heart , the sunshine makes me happy , I like living abroad it makes me feel on holiday and I married an Australian girl from the beaches of Sydney.

I would love one day to spend 4 months a year in Wales and 8 months in New South Wales as nothing in the world beats west wales in may and June .

I can't see me ever living back in the UK other than for months at a time as my wife, kids and life is here now and I love it and can see a positive future here. I will always come back home though when I can as ultimately I still love many things about the UK and whilst I don't want them everyday I still appreciate them greatly.

In or out won't change those decisions as I don't come home or live here because of governments or anything and I think Aus has its destiny controlled by others in many ways.

As for 14 and 39 I am too, in 14 we were still one of two preeminent world powers and in 39 it was life or death and most of the establishment wanted to back down we were propelled in the main by one man and a man who was throughout his life deeply pro European and by the standards of his day way more pro European than any of those around today

 

[EalingBlue2]

Neither has Leicester city, but they will shortly be picking up the well deserved title of Champions, funny what you can do when your in charge of your own destiny, bring in the people to do the jobs needed rather than an EU approach where you have to have anyone who wants to be in the team.

If you want to base our economic future on a one off miracle a 5000-1 shot then you are bonkers.

 

[grunge]

Neither has Leicester city, but they will shortly be picking up the well deserved title of Champions, funny what you can do when your in charge of your own destiny, bring in the people to do the jobs needed rather than an EU approach where you have to have anyone who wants to be in the team.

Lets see how they fair next season when the "major powers" buy all there star players.

 

[BigJoe#1]

They wouldn't be able to if Centrica and SSE charged less. Despite what people might say, we do have a pretty functional competitive energy market here in the UK. Now if you're asking why the UK government doesn't take more of your money off you to subsidise energy costs for certain sectors (i.e. give your money to the steel industry, for example) you could just donate money yourself if you like?

Why on earth would we give the government money to subsidise a profitable business?

 

[Chippy_boy]

Why on earth would we give the government money to subsidise a profitable business?

I think you'll find they lose £1m/day in South Wales. How unprofitable would you like?

 

[worsleyweb]

If you want to base our economic future on a one off miracle a 5000-1 shot then you are bonkers.

It's not a miracle allegedly

 

[coleridge]

This is why I've always been an Anarchists. All governments are seminally evil. Go down a few levels and you get the same hierarchical, self-serving structures. In the end, all freedom is oppressed by authoritarian boot-licking clowns. Occasionally, accidental goodness appears, but there is always down to individual bravery in the face of organised oppression. EU. Not EU. Who cares, We'll all get shafted by the wealthy owners of the world just the same.

 

[squirtyflower]

This is why I've always been an Anarchists. All governments are seminally evil. Go down a few levels and you get the same hierarchical, self-serving structures. In the end, all freedom is oppressed by authoritarian boot-licking clowns. Occasionally, accidental goodness appears, but there is always down to individual bravery in the face of organised oppression. EU. Not EU. Who cares, We'll all get shafted by the wealthy owners of the world just the same.

Had the same conversation with Mrs sf this morning when listening to the news
As I've got older I've distrusted the government and their instruments more and more, whilst fighting a losing battle against protecting our freedoms.
Nearly everyone is going to be there to feed the ego and lifestyle of a select few

 

[coleridge]

Had the same conversation with Mrs sf this morning when listening to the news
As I've got older I've distrusted the government and their instruments more and more, whilst fighting a losing battle against protecting our freedoms.
Nearly everyone is going to be there to feed the ego and lifestyle of a select few

Indeed. With age, the lies become ever more apparent. I've got to the point where I am wondering whether I want to vote any more. But then I remember that I have to help to keep the fascists out and so make my cross accordingly, if without enthusiasm.

 

[squirtyflower]

Indeed. With age, the lies become ever more apparent. I've got to the point where I am wondering whether I want to vote any more. But then I remember that I have to help to keep the fascists out and so make my cross accordingly, if without enthusiasm.

Can't remember what it was this morning but I was one group criticising another for doing what they normally do. And it just reminded me of the last line in Animal Farm