EU referendum

[marco]

Farage making a very good case with his speach for the outers

 

[Blue Hefner]

Farage making a very good case with his speach for the outers

Could you expand??

 

[marco]

Could you expand??

TRY SN

 

[EalingBlue2]

Oh, another climate change apologist. The world is a beautiful place. It's our responsibility to save it. Your response is an attempt at patronisation for reasons unknown. It is you that is spouting 'emotional twaddle'.

Some people believe their only responsibility is to serve their immediate needs today and everything else can GTF sadly.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Far from the poor little country some of the remainians on here want to portray, the UK is the 5 biggest economy in the world, our poor little military is still a match for anyone with the exception of the USA/Russia an maybe China as well as a nucular power.
We still have world leading industries, expertease & a skill base that can match up to most as well as influence and goodwill in many parts of the world.

We are more than capable of standing on our own feet and making decisions for our benefit rather than the banking cartel behind the EU, dont listen to the shite about the fluctuation in the pound exit will cause because it is a stable currency unlike the Euro that even the remainians will struggle to defend.

The EU is made up of countries where major political changes are on the cards, it is not the stable utopia to build a future on but a disaster waiting to happen, France and Italy are all but bankrupt, the PIG countries an Greece in an even worse state and the German people are in almost open revolt at footing the bills.
The Dutch have just told the EU to f*ck itself in a referendum, with Hungary & Austria closing the borders amounting to the same thing, Poland has gone even further with an outright refusal to take "refugees" and elected a nationalist government.

Our trade with the EU has declined and has been doing so every year since 1999, the EUs share of the global economy has fallen consistently in the last twenty years while our exports to the rest of the world has grown at twice the rate we export to the EU.

But still the main issue is what it always was, to become once again a free country making its own decisions in control of its own destiny.

Your third paragraph is spot on, but as for the rest of it, I suggest you have a read - if you didn't already - of EalingBlue's post directly above yours, which very well describes our situation in the world order I think. We might be the 5th largest economy at the moment, but it's not as if we are the young upstart that gaining fast and will soon overtake others, quite the opposite. Any idea that we can "once again be in contol of our own destiny" and other such is frankly romantic bollocks founded on a past that no longer exists. We don't have the numbers of people, the scale, the resources, skills - indeed any of the things we would need - to be anything other than a bit part player over the next century.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Your children and grand children will be looking back nostalgically at Uncle Sam, the chances are by the time of your grandchildren the US will be lucky to be the third biggest world economy and certainly it won't be in a real sense . Your grandchildren will be growing up in a world dominated by Asia and US capitalism will be a nostalgic dream for them. Throughout human history with a blip from the industrial revolution Asia has dominated and it will again soon.

I think it is naiive in the extreme to think a country like the UK can control its destiny, the same , Britain hasn't truly controlled its defence for the best part of a century, hasn't controlled most of its trade for the best part of half a century and when you look at consumption domestically, the money in the City and even power and basic food, fuel and raw materials - Britain controls very little. Even information, media , communications is nearly all controlled beyond the borders.

It is a beautiful idea to live in a world we can regain control but 90% is gone EU or no EU.
You will still get your information on foreign platforms, from foreign media on foreign devices and drive your foreign car to your foreign office where you will eat a foreign lunch before working on your foreign computer over a foreign network, lit by foreign electricity and warmed by foreign gas. At the end of the day having worked hard to transfer money off shore you will go home using more foreign petrol. That is the world Britain played a huge part in creating and America and globalisation we have played a huge part in both. In historic terms the latter is Britain's main contribution to the planet one that some now seem to be rejecting.

Demand and supply and major world powers and growing economies control our destiny in its entirety and whilst Brexiters pretend otherwise it is just a nostalgic dream of the past

Fair points, I'm just glad we weren't so defeatist in 1914 and 1939. I appreciate there is a global market and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but that is something totally different to being constrained by major powers. I take great exception to nPower and EDF to name but two major energy companies that are owned by the Germans and French respectively charging British based Comapnies (like the Steel industry) significantly more for the energy than they charge their own home based businesses.

You might consider it naiive in the extreme to want to retain what we have left of our independence and that's fair enough I don't. Either way I know things will never be the same again... This is now a broken nation unfortunately and this will manifest itself whichever way the vote goes. All I can say about remain is... if we're in, then we're in and we should stop fannying around with special circumstances, let's get politically integrated, open the borders and sign up for the Euro. What we're facing at the moment is the very the very worst scenario if we remain.

Do you mind me asking what you attracted you to leaving this country and setting up in Australia? Very admirable thing to do and personally it is something I might have liked to have done - though is too late now. However I didn't you did.

Will you ever come back to the UK or that will that depend upon whether or not we're in or out....? Just interested, hope the questions don't offend you.

 

[Chippy_boy]

Fair points, I'm just glad we weren't so defeatist in 1914 and 1939. I appreciate there is a global market and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that, but that is something totally different to being constrained by major powers. I take great exception to nPower and EDF to name but two major energy companies that are owned by the Germans and French respectively charging British based Comapnies (like the Steel industry) significantly more for the energy than they charge their own home based businesses.

They wouldn't be able to if Centrica and SSE charged less. Despite what people might say, we do have a pretty functional competitive energy market here in the UK. Now if you're asking why the UK government doesn't take more of your money off you to subsidise energy costs for certain sectors (i.e. give your money to the steel industry, for example) you could just donate money yourself if you like?

 

[Blue Hefner]

TRY SN

I'm at work!

 

[grunge]

Your children and grand children will be looking back nostalgically at Uncle Sam, the chances are by the time of your grandchildren the US will be lucky to be the third biggest world economy and certainly it won't be in a real sense . Your grandchildren will be growing up in a world dominated by Asia and US capitalism will be a nostalgic dream for them. Throughout human history with a blip from the industrial revolution Asia has dominated and it will again soon.

I think it is naiive in the extreme to think a country like the UK can control its destiny, the same , Britain hasn't truly controlled its defence for the best part of a century, hasn't controlled most of its trade for the best part of half a century and when you look at consumption domestically, the money in the City and even power and basic food, fuel and raw materials - Britain controls very little. Even information, media , communications is nearly all controlled beyond the borders.

It is a beautiful idea to live in a world we can regain control but 90% is gone EU or no EU.
You will still get your information on foreign platforms, from foreign media on foreign devices and drive your foreign car to your foreign office where you will eat a foreign lunch before working on your foreign computer over a foreign network, lit by foreign electricity and warmed by foreign gas. At the end of the day having worked hard to transfer money off shore you will go home using more foreign petrol. That is the world Britain played a huge part in creating and America and globalisation we have played a huge part in both. In historic terms the latter is Britain's main contribution to the planet one that some now seem to be rejecting.

Demand and supply and major world powers and growing economies control our destiny in its entirety and whilst Brexiters pretend otherwise it is just a nostalgic dream of the past

Well said.

 

[blueonblue]

We don't have the numbers of people, the scale, the resources, skills - indeed any of the things we would need - to be anything other than a bit part player over the next century.

Neither has Leicester city, but they will shortly be picking up the well deserved title of Champions, funny what you can do when your in charge of your own destiny, bring in the people to do the jobs needed rather than an EU approach where you have to have anyone who wants to be in the team.