EU referendum

[stonerblue]

I'm sure lots of people are going to be along to tell me why I should/shouldn't listen to a word that website says, but it's one of the more broad ranging ones posted so far. I'll give it a read. Cheers.

Funded by Tory donor
Hon. Michael John Samuel1
M, #118323, b. 2 November 1952
http://www.thepeerage.com/p11833.htm#
Last Edited=31 Jan 2011
Hon. Michael John Samuel was born on 2 November 1952.1 He is the son of Peter Montefiore Samuel Samuel, 4th Viscount Bearsted and Hon. Elizabeth Adelaide Cohen.1 He married Julia Aline Guinness, daughter of James Edward Alexander Rundell Guinness and Pauline Vivien Mander, on 6 March 1980.1
He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England.1 He lived in 1999 at 24 Hyde Park Gate, London, England.1
Children of Hon. Michael John Samuel and Julia Aline Guinness

• Natasha Vivienne Samuel1 b. 25 Jun 1981
• Emily Elizabeth Samuel1 b. 11 Jul 1983
• Sophie Alexandra Samuel1 b. 1986
• Benjamin Peter Marcus Samuel1 b. 1989

Citations

1. [S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 219. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]

 

[CityStu]

Funded by Tory donor
Hon. Michael John Samuel1
M, #118323, b. 2 November 1952
Last Edited=31 Jan 2011
Hon. Michael John Samuel was born on 2 November 1952.1 He is the son of Peter Montefiore Samuel Samuel, 4th Viscount Bearsted and Hon. Elizabeth Adelaide Cohen.1 He married Julia Aline Guinness, daughter of James Edward Alexander Rundell Guinness and Pauline Vivien Mander, on 6 March 1980.1
He was educated at Eton College, Windsor, Berkshire, England.1 He lived in 1999 at 24 Hyde Park Gate, London, England.1
Children of Hon. Michael John Samuel and Julia Aline Guinness

• Natasha Vivienne Samuel1 b. 25 Jun 1981
• Emily Elizabeth Samuel1 b. 11 Jul 1983
• Sophie Alexandra Samuel1 b. 1986
• Benjamin Peter Marcus Samuel1 b. 1989

Citations

1. [S8] BP1999 volume 1, page 219. See link for full details for this source. Hereinafter cited as. [S8]

So would you say it's biased for Remain or Leave?

 

[stonerblue]

So would you say it's biased for Remain or Leave?

Dunno, can't be arsed reading it but i would say it isn't very 'independent'

 

[Helmet Cole]

This is part of the problem. The inners love to shout about all the independent studies that support their case, but I doubt there is any such thing. Research costs money, and he who pays the piper calls the tune.

 

[Gelsons Dad]

FFS we are a small island without immigrants our economically would be fucked due to skill shortages and not being able to sell what we have left our service industry. The world has changed we have moved on a lot since the 1950's the world is a different place than it was back then. All this talk about infrastructure is bullshit. the recent curbs on immigration have resulted in the slide in our top university being hampered in not being able to attract the best available talents to our shores, http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-36203613

Its self defeating measures like this that those from the right can't see with there myopic view on life that will bring this country down.

We are not a small island. Jersey is a small Island the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world. Skill shortages? You don't need to import skills. You can train skills. Increasing the average skill level and making the country more productive.

 

[EalingBlue2]

^^This^^ Chippy Boy.

I hold no regrets about having made my mind up.... If you're so sure about what you're saying why are you here? Why do they have political debates between Farage and Cameron?

You're here to take on board arguements and to make an informed decision. I had credited you with enough nouse to be able to filter all the arguements and points made and to reach your individual decision, evidently I was wrong in that.

The inners on here can give no actual facts about what will happen if we stay in, just as the outers can't. It's all about opinion, speculation and individual values and priorities. I would have thought you'd know that. The whole purpose of a forum and debate is to try and persuade others to change views, or indeed to have your mind changed, or as in you case to gather evidence from both sides to help inform your own views. You are fee to disregard or take on board whatever you want, but please don't tell me or others on here (both inners and outers) to go away and leave you along with other undecideds to reach a view!

Have to say that was a very poor and disappointing post from someone I thought to be above that level of ignorance.

The inner a can give you facts , the reality is today, look around you, look at trade figures, look at the economy. If we stay that is what is there, tomorrow will be like today. Inner a don't need to make up what will happen if we stay in as we are in. It's like asking someone to prove the sun will come up tomorrow and set tomorrow night.

It is the outers who pretend to give facts but facts to them is a series of hopeful calls on Europe needing us desperately and going out of their way to give us a better deal than before and that somehow outside of trade deals with Europe, US and the pacific Britain will magically sail along having been handed everything. It is Sturgeon optimism , I didn't believe her on Scotland and I don't believe the brexit optimism either. I don't think Scotland would have collapsed had they voted out but I don't believe it would have been good for them.

 

[EalingBlue2]

We are not a small island. Jersey is a small Island the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world. Skill shortages? You don't need to import skills. You can train skills. Increasing the average skill level and making the country more productive.

The 5th largest economy and one on a century plus of decline from being by far the largest and losing importance and relevance all the time .

 

[EalingBlue2]

We are not a small island. Jersey is a small Island the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world. Skill shortages? You don't need to import skills. You can train skills. Increasing the average skill level and making the country more productive.

Britain is dropping fast in most training and education measure so if this is to be addressed you are spot on but governments like the current one are letting it slide

 

[EalingBlue2]

I didn't tell you anything. I asked a question and made a suggestion.

But honestly I have no idea why you or anyone else with a closed mind is even bothering to be on here.

You'll note for my umpteen posts that on several occasions I've said "fair point" or other such comment to someone suggesting an alternative view.

But some people are the equivalent of school children with hands over their ears saying "I'm not listening I'm listening I'm not listening". Well guess what, that's a bit tiresome after a while.

Still, everyone to their own and fortunately we have the ignore button with which we can filter out the dross, so either way I'm not fussed.

To be fair you are about the only poster who has acknowledged the huge structural deficits and economic issues that are the real Problems the UK faces

 

[Mike D]

We are not a small island. Jersey is a small Island the UK is the 5th largest economy in the world. Skill shortages? You don't need to import skills. You can train skills. Increasing the average skill level and making the country more productive.

Don't make me laugh seriously do you believe that guff. Why are having to recruit so many doctors into this country? Do you know how long it takes to fully train a doctor ? Just deciding to train people doesn't just happen over night. Its no surprise with the ballooning of insecure ZHC that this country has become so shit at productivity. As has been proven so many times immigration has a positive effect on the economy contrary to popular channel 5 poverty/benefit porn belief the majority of them come over to work and earn money not park their arses on benefits.

As much as I despise Cameron an this whole campaign cutting my nose off to spite my face is the main reason I won't be joining the loons from Brexit.