This is part of the problem. The inners love to shout about all the independent studies that support their case, but I doubt there is any such thing. Research costs money, and he who pays the piper calls the tune.
So being in the EU stops this, or just means it doesn't matter? No thanks.The 5th largest economy and one on a century plus of decline from being by far the largest and losing importance and relevance all the time .
Quite. It seems true of both sides, unless of course you have already made your mind up to believe only one side of the argument.So basically, if you don't like the analysis, just file it under "made up lies from people with an agenda".
It's this sort of "I'm not listening, I'm not listening, I'm not listening" that makes me wonder why it's worth trying to have a sensible discussion.
Quite. It seems true of both sides, unless of course you have already made your mind up to believe only one side of the argument.
The inner a can give you facts , the reality is today, look around you, look at trade figures, look at the economy. If we stay that is what is there, tomorrow will be like today. Inner a don't need to make up what will happen if we stay in as we are in. It's like asking someone to prove the sun will come up tomorrow and set tomorrow night.
It is the outers who pretend to give facts but facts to them is a series of hopeful calls on Europe needing us desperately and going out of their way to give us a better deal than before and that somehow outside of trade deals with Europe, US and the pacific Britain will magically sail along having been handed everything. It is Sturgeon optimism , I didn't believe her on Scotland and I don't believe the brexit optimism either. I don't think Scotland would have collapsed had they voted out but I don't believe it would have been good for them.
Don't make me laugh seriously do you believe that guff. Why are having to recruit so many doctors into this country? Do you know how long it takes to fully train a doctor ? Just deciding to train people doesn't just happen over night. Its no surprise with the ballooning of insecure ZHC that this country has become so shit at productivity. As has been proven so many times immigration has a positive effect on the economy contrary to popular channel 5 poverty/benefit porn belief the majority of them come over to work and earn money not park their arses on benefits.
As much as I despise Cameron an this whole campaign cutting my nose off to spite my face is the main reason I won't be joining the loons from Brexit.
Racist ;-)I don't think exiters are denying the fact that we will need immigration to help the country. What we are saying is that will be a policy based on what we need so yes doctors and others to fill skill shortages from all over the world ,like Canada, Australia, USA and any other country has.
At the moment we have a system where anyone from the eu can move here whether we have that skill shortage or not. I would prefer a system which plugs resources and skills globally not just cos they are in the Euro. Immigration into the uk has been massively important to the success of the U.K and should continue to be so.
Chuckling.Racist ;-)
TTIP will happen for Britain in or out of the EU the only question is to go in as part of the EU agreement or go in later on terms that there has been no chance to negotiate on and very much as a small party agreeing with big parties , TTIP and TPP are what is happening and like it or not they will happen. Nritaim can sit outside and forgo these opportunities or sign up . I am not necessarily an advocate but with giants like the US. EU, China moving to joining TPP there will be Ko choice. These are not EU things they are all the worlds major markets moving to expand trade and standardise some rules.Could an Inner please give me the facts on the prospect of Turkey joining, the potential TTIP arrangement, what will happen about the migrant crisis, whether we will need to bail out any more EU countries, if we'll end up having to join the Euro and the creation of an EU army please?
The EU now is so different to how it was 40, 20, 10, even 5 years ago. A vote In isn't a vote for the status quo, it's a vote to continue on the current trajectory.
No being in the EU means we maintain a voice as we decline to 6th 7th 8th which given growth, demographics, technology etc is inevitableSo being in the EU stops this, or just means it doesn't matter? No thanks.