EU referendum

[FanchesterCity]

I'm curious about this trade deal with the commonwealth...

What products do we envisage selling / buying to and from India, multiple African nations (where the vast populations are)?
Then there's Canada and Australia (handy for shipping overnight).

 

[80s Shorts]

 

[BigJoe#1]

Very Polished?....That pharmaceutical bloke blew him out of the water.....and he just had no reply....expect "we are British"....The guy might have been an expert in his "area" but Farage did not have a clue or a counter argument....and in "my opinion" you could have had someone from manufacturing or any other sector and he would have given the same reply....because its clear the outs have no plan...We've already heard today that £65mil billion in investment has left UK because of the concerns over our economy if we leave...but, but, but...we British!!!..who are we kidding!!.....markets and investor movements are the first sign of trouble.....by the time it hits the man on the street its too late....Cameron was asked for a plan so he told us what his plan is, whether we agree with it or not...he has a plan if we "stay" and has agreed a better deal for the UK for immigration controls, to stop people claiming benefits etc etc........Cameron's plan might not be perfect but atleast he has one..but Farage?....doesnt matter...we are British!!......

I watched the question time tonight and if completely honest I expected Cameron to do alot worse than what he did but I wasnt concerned about that because this vote isnt about the leader of the conservative party..Farage didnt seem to have any grasp on the economy, on how it works and the effects leaving might have....he just kept playing the "We are British" card when he didnt know the answer.......

That pharmaceutical question was a very inappropriate and ridiculous question, far too specific and detailed.

 

[smudgedj]

We may well set up deals with them. But we don't know the terms, and they aren't all selling the products we want.
Shipping goods from outside the EU takes longer and is more costly (typically). Two years is also no time at all, and that's two years of uncertainly which is abhorrent for stability.
There is a reason why so many businesses have a supply chain entirely within the EU, because it's pretty efficient.
I'm not saying we can't succeed - I'm saying it's not a sure thing, and it's certainly not going to be easy. There will be pain before we reap any benefits.

No more New Zealand lamb or bananas; takes too long to ship apparently. Going to hard on the lefties not having the quinoa.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I'm curious about this trade deal with the commonwealth...

What products do we envisage selling / buying to and from India, multiple African nations (where the vast populations are)?
Then there's Canada and Australia (handy for shipping overnight).

We send delegations of hundreds of business people and Ministers to Inida (virtually every year) to secure more trade. Leaving the EU won't transform our business links with them!

The days when the Aussies and Kiwis felt they owed us favours are long gone!

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

That pharmaceutical question was a very inappropriate and ridiculous question, far too specific and detailed.

To be fair mate...if that was Carmeron, all the outs would be calling him for making such a mess of the argument. Farage didnt have a counter argument for any of the questions....and people were giving him such a hard time becuase they were getting frustrated with the same old "we are British" reply.......when they were looking for answers and a plan....People need to know what they voting for, not just for what they running away from...

 

[FanchesterCity]

I'm beginning to think this EU think is like sex with the wife...
In or out - not much changes, there's a lot of moaning and promise of it being better if we do things a different way. In the end neither of us leaves cos we need each other, so we just exchange favours before a continental breakfast - and once in a while, a full fry up because we're British.
Every time I try to assert my authority, it's only because she lets me - then she puts up the border controls to prevent any illegal entry.

 

[EalingBlue2]

We send delegations of hundreds of business people and Ministers to Inida (virtually every year) to secure more trade. Leaving the EU won't transform our business links with them!

The days when the Aussies and Kiwis felt they owed us favours are long gone!

Aus and nz trade with the pacific rim and look to China, Korea and Japan as the main trading partners, TPP is done and as the US Pivots away from Europe towards the Pacific increasingly the biggest trade will be Pacific not Atlantic based. In Asia the population is younger , economies are growing , infrastructure is better , education standards are higher and that's the problem for the UK and Europe it was the centre of the world it increasingly isn't .

 

[EalingBlue2]

I do think people are not impressed with how the nation's going, but I think they're blaming the EU for too much, and not blaming our own incompetent governance (both Labour and Tory/Lib).
Many of the criticism (though not all) that people lay at the EU - we could have managed ourselves, and we've not done so.
Only 50% of the migration problem is from within the EU - so the other 50% is entirely down to us. Yet now we are supposed to believe that we're going to manage the same 50% PLUS the EU migrants much better? - how? and who is going to pay for the additional border security? There isn't a 200K border security all lined up twiddling their thumbs - we don't actually have the security in place!

They increasingly blame the EU why?

Because the politicians and senior business leaders who have fucked the country conveniently blame the EU for their mistakes and they are backed by a media who has long campaigned for weakened labour standards, smashing unions, taking away human rights etc.

So I guess it is either gullibility or wanting to accept the lies....

 

[aguero93:20]

I don't know whether we should be in or out and I'm not sure anybody really does. What I do know is that having come to a referendum, a remain vote takes whatever power we have away from us. If Cameron or any future leader doesn't like some future EU policy and starts to complain, the EU will tell him to sod off because his country seems to approve of the way the EU is run.

Nah, not if the winning margin is less than 20 points (i.e. 60/40 or closer). There's always a case for a second referendum then.

As you'll find out if you vote leave ;)

 

[hilts]

To be fair mate...if that was Carmeron, all the outs would be calling him for making such a mess of the argument. Farage didnt have a counter argument for any of the questions....and people were giving him such a hard time becuase they were getting frustrated with the same old "we are British" reply.......when they were looking for answers and a plan....People need to know what they voting for, not just for what they running away from...

It was a silly question and farage couldn't answer, am I now supposed to vote in because some bloke from a specific industry may be affected, how many workers have stagnant wages due to immigration? Does this guy give a fuck about that?

And if people are waiting to hear what they are voting for I suggest they don't bother, no one knows the daft bastards

 

[EalingBlue2]

I'm curious about this trade deal with the commonwealth...

What products do we envisage selling / buying to and from India, multiple African nations (where the vast populations are)?
Then there's Canada and Australia (handy for shipping overnight).

I can tell you now most of the commonwealth has not forgiven Britain for dumping them 40 years ago and any deal made will be for the benefit of those countries , also it will not be a deal to the UKs advantage they all have bigger fish to fry now so whilst they will happily sell cheap agriculture and manufactured goods to the UK they won't need to buy much back. For many revenge will be sweet and they will try to extract a price as when someone fucks you over and then comes back begging it's sweet

 

[YPhrunts]

Father-of-three Harry Bopari said:
‘I have no GP as they are all full in my area, I can’t get on the housing ladder and have three kids in one room.

'The place where I grew up was once a lovely area but it is now a no-go zone. How is the EU and uncontrolled immigration working for me, a 40-year-old Brit who has been working full time since the age of 16?’

Mr Cameron responded: 'I would say really frankly that if we want to build houses, if we want to invest in our health service, if we want good schools for our children, we have got to strengthen and safeguard our economy.

'Coming out of the single market, which is what the Leave campaign want to do, that would damage our economy.'
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So strengthening the economy is going to find Harry Bopari a GP, will allow him to buy a larger house (when there are house shortages), and will turn the sh!t hole that he now lives in that was once a lovely area into a lovely area once again. Oh dear Dave, you won the argument didn't you. The truth is that any extra wealth that comes into this country will end up in the hands of the few. It won't be going to the NHS as that nurse tried to explain or to poor old Harry Bopari.

 

[aguero93:20]

So strengthening the economy is going to find Harry Bopari a GP, will allow him to buy a larger house (when there are house shortages), and will turn the sh!t hole that he now lives in that was once a lovely area into a lovely area once again. Oh dear Dave, you won the argument didn't you. The truth is that any extra wealth that comes into this country will end up in the hands of the few. It won't be going to the NHS as that nurse tried to explain or to poor old Harry Bopari.

The Tories control spending on housing and the NHS, not the EU and they've been cutting everything they can since they got into power.

 

[flyer]

Nah, not if the winning margin is less than 20 points (i.e. 60/40 or closer). There's always a case for a second referendum then.

As you'll find out if you vote leave ;)

I'm absolutely no expert on this but I'll be amazed if there's a second referendum after a close In vote no matter what the margin is.

 

[hilts]

The Tories control spending on housing and the NHS, not the EU and they've been cutting everything they can since they got into power.

And do you realise that is costs more on infrastructure if the population is 70 million as opposed to 65? And do you realise it is impossible to plan if you don't know if 100,000 or 500,000 will arrive next year?, and do you realise you can get rid of the tories at a general election?

 

[ROCKET80]

The Tories control spending on housing and the NHS, not the EU and they've been cutting everything they can since they got into power.

Prety much this. The issues people have are directly related to the government and not the EU. Dave is hardly going to turn around and say it's all his fault, Farage is a c*** but he's not stupid and knows Cameron has to dance around the issue.

Farage, Boris and Gove don't want to leave for the good of the British people, they want to leave so the EU can no longer prevent them and their mates turning Britain back into a feudal state where the majority of the British people are serfs.

 

[aguero93:20]

And do you realise that is costs more on infrastructure if the population is 70 million as opposed to 65? And do you realise it is impossible to plan if you don't know if 100,000 or 500,000 will arrive next year?, and do you realise you can get rid of the tories at a general election?

Do you know how much of the budget to cover those costs is decided by the EU and how much of it is contributed by EU immigrants of working age? As for planning for people arriving you're still well able to plan for how many of them will be able to claim benefits and be a drain on that budget.

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Father-of-three Harry Bopari said:
‘I have no GP as they are all full in my area, I can’t get on the housing ladder and have three kids in one room.

'The place where I grew up was once a lovely area but it is now a no-go zone. How is the EU and uncontrolled immigration working for me, a 40-year-old Brit who has been working full time since the age of 16?’

Mr Cameron responded: 'I would say really frankly that if we want to build houses, if we want to invest in our health service, if we want good schools for our children, we have got to strengthen and safeguard our economy.

'Coming out of the single market, which is what the Leave campaign want to do, that would damage our economy.'
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So strengthening the economy is going to find Harry Bopari a GP, will allow him to buy a larger house (when there are house shortages), and will turn the sh!t hole that he now lives in that was once a lovely area into a lovely area once again. Oh dear Dave, you won the argument didn't you. The truth is that any extra wealth that comes into this country will end up in the hands of the few. It won't be going to the NHS as that nurse tried to explain or to poor old Harry Bopari.

......and thats what some people seem to forget mate....in or out......the rich will get richer. Even if we leave.....do people really trust the Cameron's, Gove's of this world to put the poor before the rich? By leaving we'll just damage the economy in the short-mid term and in the long term its more money for the top 10%...nothing changes and I cant believe anyone would be gullible enough to believe it will.....as for no GP, living in a no-go zone and cant get onto the housing ladder.....every one of those issues is a local Government problem, no point anyone blaming the EU.....If everyone wants to be more democratic, then we should vote for a Government that knows how to run this country.....leaving or staying the EU has very little to do with most of our issues. If we had someone in Government who knew what they were doing, that would make alot more impact than risking everything by voting out.....If you going to blame Cameron, blame him for running the country so badly....anyone blaming the EU alone is just misplaced and not showing rational thinking.........imho! ;)

 

[aguero93:20]

I'm absolutely no expert on this but I'll be amazed if there's a second referendum after a close In vote no matter what the margin is.

Mate as long as it's a platform for parties to pick up votes it'll be an issue and there will be a chance of a second referendum. More to the point, as long as half the Tory party want out and the Labour vote is decimated by the SNP in Scotland it'll be an issue in every election and for every Tory Leader and no matter how federalised and strong the EU get they'll never be able to stop a country with your standing leaving if that's your choice.