EU referendum

[blueonblue]

Who would have guessed an undervalued currency for the Germans would prove be a disaster for every other fucker.

The f*ckers behind the EU/Goldman Sachs for starters.

 

[blueonblue]

Anti EU feeling is so strong that I can't envisage a scenario where it'd be politically viable for any government to move towards 'closer union' without a referendum; it'd be political suicide.

Except the money men behind the EU dont care what party holds the illusion of "Power", and just what is suicidal about taking the money an being set up for life ?, politicians by their very nature are there at the whim of the voters, is there any of them you would trust not to take the money ?.

 

[blueonblue]

I also think Britain is pinning its out strategy on financial services which will on my view be ripped apart by technology and globalisation in a way that will make Airbnb, uber etc look tiny, that the assumptions on negotiations are wildly optimistic and that as trade and tax are truly globalising and blocs are forming to give power in negotiation it would be folly to try and push back the tide of history.

Neither technology or globalization can or will replace expertise and trust, we are the big dog in the financial services world for that reason.

You want to claim all the advantages of large blocs without looking at their drawbacks, speed an flexibility has kept middle and small size businesses thriving in the face of global giants with far more negotiating power, an thats without the drawback of all the components having different national interests and 27 bosses all wanting a say.

You talk of a mythical Britain long gone yet give life to the biggest myth of the last fifty years in that the EU is beneficial to anyone but the money men behind it.
Has the flood of east Europeans benefited Britain ?, or undermined wages while adding to unemployment and putting excess pressure on housing, schools, health services, ect.
Has the loss of those workers benefited Eastern europe ?, how can a country grow and build when the people needed to do it have all f*cked off.
The only effect is an out flow of money being sent back "Home" by the migrants an the illusion of cheap labour ( Its an illusion because it takes no account of the cost to the country keeping the native worker via benefits, paying any working benefits like tax credits/child allowance to a "Low paid" migrant).

How does a country grow if the system to educate children is hampered not only by numbers but many of the kids not speaking the same language or even having the same values.

Does it benefit people on a housing waiting lists when those lists get longer ( Lets not even get into the migrants who get priority onto those lists) or when rents go up due to more demand so they can not afford to move.

Money is not the be all and end all of this matter, the rights we have as a common law country have been fought for and won, they are not to be handed away by f*cking politicians, there are lots of things wrong in this country but we still have a vote to try and change things, and laws to protect us, neither of which will be the case if the EU has its way.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

Neither technology or globalization can or will replace expertise and trust, we are the big dog in the financial services world for that reason.

You want to claim all the advantages of large blocs without looking at their drawbacks, speed an flexibility has kept middle and small size businesses thriving in the face of global giants with far more negotiating power, an thats without the drawback of all the components having different national interests and 27 bosses all wanting a say.

You talk of a mythical Britain long gone yet give life to the biggest myth of the last fifty years in that the EU is beneficial to anyone but the money men behind it.
Has the flood of east Europeans benefited Britain ?, or undermined wages while adding to unemployment and putting excess pressure on housing, schools, health services, ect.
Has the loss of those workers benefited Eastern europe ?, how can a country grow and build when the people needed to do it have all f*cked off.
The only effect is an out flow of money being sent back "Home" by the migrants an the illusion of cheap labour ( Its an illusion because it takes no account of the cost to the country keeping the native worker via benefits, paying any working benefits like tax credits/child allowance to a "Low paid" migrant).

How does a country grow if the system to educate children is hampered not only by numbers but many of the kids not speaking the same language or even having the same values.

Does it benefit people on a housing waiting lists when those lists get longer ( Lets not even get into the migrants who get priority onto those lists) or when rents go up due to more demand so they can not afford to move.

Money is not the be all and end all of this matter, the rights we have as a common law country have been fought for and won, they are not to be handed away by f*cking politicians, there are lots of things wrong in this country but we still have a vote to try and change things, and laws to protect us, neither of which will be the case if the EU has its way.

Spot on.

 

[EalingBlue2]

Neither technology or globalization can or will replace expertise and trust, we are the big dog in the financial services world for that reason.

You want to claim all the advantages of large blocs without looking at their drawbacks, speed an flexibility has kept middle and small size businesses thriving in the face of global giants with far more negotiating power, an thats without the drawback of all the components having different national interests and 27 bosses all wanting a say.

You talk of a mythical Britain long gone yet give life to the biggest myth of the last fifty years in that the EU is beneficial to anyone but the money men behind it.
Has the flood of east Europeans benefited Britain ?, or undermined wages while adding to unemployment and putting excess pressure on housing, schools, health services, ect.
Has the loss of those workers benefited Eastern europe ?, how can a country grow and build when the people needed to do it have all f*cked off.
The only effect is an out flow of money being sent back "Home" by the migrants an the illusion of cheap labour ( Its an illusion because it takes no account of the cost to the country keeping the native worker via benefits, paying any working benefits like tax credits/child allowance to a "Low paid" migrant).

How does a country grow if the system to educate children is hampered not only by numbers but many of the kids not speaking the same language or even having the same values.

Does it benefit people on a housing waiting lists when those lists get longer ( Lets not even get into the migrants who get priority onto those lists) or when rents go up due to more demand so they can not afford to move.

Money is not the be all and end all of this matter, the rights we have as a common law country have been fought for and won, they are not to be handed away by f*cking politicians, there are lots of things wrong in this country but we still have a vote to try and change things, and laws to protect us, neither of which will be the case if the EU has its way.

I read that as a post of a person who doesn't believe in multiculturalism, doesn't believe in economic freedom and believes in fear and retreating to the past and opening up the future. As for your comments on finance they read like the same comments made about mobile phones, Internet shopping, Airbnb , uber etc by people who refused to see what is happening all business relies on expertise and trust and when that is quickly proven to not be legitimate, change happens.

You arguments are all against multiculturalism, against freedom of labour against the way the world is going and being in or out of the EU will be utterly irellevant in these changes hurting your life

 

[stonerblue]

Jeez this thread gets more childish and boring by the hour. The 'Lefties' are this, the Rightys are that, the same old posters regurgitating the same old shit to suit their ideas and very few real facts.
I wouldn't mind but there's only a handfull of posters keeping it going whilst the rest of us look on shaking our heads at the sheer stupidity of a referendum in the first place.

 

[mekonmcfc]

I read that as a post of a person who doesn't believe in multiculturalism, doesn't believe in economic freedom and believes in fear and retreating to the past and opening up the future. As for your comments on finance they read like the same comments made about mobile phones, Internet shopping, Airbnb , uber etc by people who refused to see what is happening all business relies on expertise and trust and when that is quickly proven to not be legitimate, change happens.

You arguments are all against multiculturalism, against freedom of labour against the way the world is going and being in or out of the EU will be utterly irellevant in these changes hurting your life

i didnt read it like that, i thought some good points

 

[EalingBlue2]

i didnt read it like that, i thought some good points

That's probably the point that stoner was making a dozen people making 90% of the posts all locked in to their thinking.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

I read that as a post of a person who doesn't believe in multiculturalism, doesn't believe in economic freedom and believes in fear and retreating to the past and opening up the future. As for your comments on finance they read like the same comments made about mobile phones, Internet shopping, Airbnb , uber etc by people who refused to see what is happening all business relies on expertise and trust and when that is quickly proven to not be legitimate, change happens.

You arguments are all against multiculturalism, against freedom of labour against the way the world is going and being in or out of the EU will be utterly irellevant in these changes hurting your life

I read your post as someone who means well but misses a major point.

Free movement of labour is one of the major issues facing our planet not just the eu. Take genuine war torn areas out of it as that is a separate issue, the technolological advances Which connects the people of the world And unfortunately gangs of people smugglers willing to take people means those people who are either driven or qualified try and move to better themselves and who can blame them. Who wouldn't.

However the weaker country just gets weaker and the economic divide between strong countries and weak countries grow. In the Eu How does Greece Portugal Rumania and the poles get stronger when there strongest best people move to another country freely for a better life. I would do this as well as I am pretty driven but when there are no controls on the amount of people the gap just gets bigger and bigger as lots of people do it. Germany and the Uk get stronger. The economic and political imbalance gets bigger in the euro . how really can these countries share the same currency ?

You mean well I am sure you really do but I am not sure free movement of labour is good for the long term issues facing a lot of the countries in the Eu. You may Not give a shit about this but it's a massive issue. I suppose you could be better off long term it that means even lower house prices in Spain Portugal or Greece for you to freely go to to enjoy your retirement, drawing your uk pension in euros.

 

[EalingBlue2]

I read your post as someone who means well but misses a major point.

Free movement of labour is one of the major issues facing our planet not just the eu. Take genuine war torn areas out of it as that is a separate issue, the technolological advances Which connects the people of the world And unfortunately gangs of people smugglers willing to take people means those people who are either driven or qualified try and move to better themselves and who can blame them. Who wouldn't.

However the weaker country just gets weaker and the economic divide between strong countries and weak countries grow. In the Eu How does Greece Portugal Rumania and the poles get stronger when there strongest best people move to another country freely for a better life. I would do this as well as I am pretty driven but when there are no controls on the amount of people the gap just gets bigger and bigger as lots of people do it. Germany and the Uk get stronger. The economic and political imbalance gets bigger in the euro . how really can these countries share the same currency ?

You mean well I am sure you really do but I am not sure free movement of labour is good for the long term issues facing a lot of the countries in the Eu. You may Not give a shit about this but it's a massive issue. I suppose you could be better off long term it that means even lower house prices in Spain Portugal or Greece for you to freely go to to enjoy your retirement, drawing your uk pension in euros.

What you talk about goes against the facts though as a % of the world economy and in terms of growth Western Europe , USA etc are falling back and have done so for some time and will continue to do so, while consumption , growth, increasing size of middle class drives more power into the poor countries you deride. The world is pivoting back to Asia which has dominated GDP for all but the last 100 or so years and will dominate again soon. your view of the world is dated, there is nothing to be well meaning about its just the inevitable happening