EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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yep said:
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just my opinion mate! ;) at least we agree on who we want to win the prem!;)
 
EalingBlue2 said:
Most of the EU funds given out are managed by the country's governments and officials in the country and this if there is fraud it is more likely to be a sovereign issue than an EU one. Secondly there is no suggestion in these that the fraud is to do with the EU it is local citizens cooking the books and because the EU has such a small bureaucracy it can't detect them. Citing this as an argument is reverse logic if you look at the facts only a strengthened better funded EU would change this.

This is typical of Brexit, take a set of facts and twist them to represent a situation that is the exact opposite of the actual circumstances

Also as a % of total European funds how do you think that compares to tax fraud or claims fraud in the member countries , you will probably find in most of them it is considerably lower - so again take a big number that in relative terms is not big and try and scare those who don't think into a decision that is the opposite of what facts suggest

Just like the 9 billion dollars, even a moderate hit for 2-3 years to our economy which is frankly the best case scenario on exit would wipe that saving out for the best part of a decade or two and of the worst prophecies come true impact could be ten fold to the negative in one year and in every year that follows till its recovered .

Brexit throw out big numbers without understanding even the basics which is why intelligent serious economists try to put the case. Unfortunately to many people glib one word economic headlines work better than detailed science of economics
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EalingBlue2 said:
Most of the EU funds given out are managed by the country's governments and officials in the country and this if there is fraud it is more likely to be a sovereign issue than an EU one. Secondly there is no suggestion in these that the fraud is to do with the EU it is local citizens cooking the books and because the EU has such a small bureaucracy it can't detect them. Citing this as an argument is reverse logic if you look at the facts only a strengthened better funded EU would change this.

This is typical of Brexit, take a set of facts and twist them to represent a situation that is the exact opposite of the actual circumstances

Also as a % of total European funds how do you think that compares to tax fraud or claims fraud in the member countries , you will probably find in most of them it is considerably lower - so again take a big number that in relative terms is not big and try and scare those who don't think into a decision that is the opposite of what facts suggest

Just like the 9 billion dollars, even a moderate hit for 2-3 years to our economy which is frankly the best case scenario on exit would wipe that saving out for the best part of a decade or two and of the worst prophecies come true impact could be ten fold to the negative in one year and in every year that follows till its recovered .

Brexit throw out big numbers without understanding even the basics which is why intelligent serious economists try to put the case. Unfortunately to many people glib one word economic headlines work better than detailed science of economics
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NINE is a big number for the Brexit lot.

(Brexits - that was a joke - some very good Brexit posters about - usually on billboards though)
 
EalingBlue2 said:
I struggle supporting Cameron as I don't like opportunistic liars but when it comes to lying and opportunism he is positively child's play compared to Boris or Ids or Farage and his politics are less nasty (relative I know).

I have to say I despair that anyone would vote in a vote as important like this and make decisions like this on the basis of not liking or agreeing with an individual - that goes both ways.

Cameron is a turd but not worth losing your job or house over, he is a turd but not one worth a 4 trillion dollar deficit and another 2008, he is a turd but not worth supporting Johnson over etc
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Over the preceding pages I have made clear my reasons for voting out, to remind you they are:

Control of borders
Immigration control
Security
EU bureaucracy
Financial benefit £8,500,000,000 better off and £4,400,000,000 to invest as opposed to giving it to the EU to tell us how to spend it.
The ability of Britain to be a player in the world markets as opposed to being stifled by the slow progress of the lumbering machine that is the EU
The Lack of Accountability and democracy in the EU

I apologise most profusely if you or other inners don't agree but that is not my problem

Oh BTW, Cameron and Gideon and co just confirm my feelings that we'll be better of out. They are not high enough in my list of priorities to influence me either way. Boris and co are not much better, but they are no more dupicitouds, cowardly or liars that Cameron and Gideon. They're all cut from the same cloth!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Over the preceding pages I have made clear my reasons for voting out, to remind you they are:

Control of borders
Immigration control
Security
EU bureaucracy
Financial benefit £8,500,000,000 better off and £4,400,000,000 to invest as opposed to giving it to the EU to tell us how to spend it.
The ability of Britain to be a player in the world markets as opposed to being stifled by the slow progress of the lumbering machine that is the EU
The Lack of Accountability and democracy in the EU

I apologise most profusely if you or other inners don't agree but that is not my problem

Oh BTW, Cameron and Gideon and co just confirm my feelings that we'll be better of out. They are not high enough in my list of priorities to influence me either way. Boris and co are not much better, but they are no more dupicitouds, cowardly or liars that Cameron and Gideon. They're all cut from the same cloth!
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So much bitterness. Again. Life must be pretty unbearable for you guys.

I don't loathe any politicians like you do. I think Corbyn is a buffoon, but he seems a nice chap and i wish him well. It must be a horrible life if you have to go around loathing people. Shame.
 
Chippy_boy said:
So much bitterness. Again. Life must be pretty unbearable for you guys.

I don't loathe any politicians like you do. I think Corbyn is a buffoon, but he seems a nice chap and i wish him well. It must be a horrible life if you have to go around loathing people. Shame.
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You concern for me is overwhelming but please don't worry about me, save your worry for the huge mistake you and all the other inners are about to make.

I don't trust those guys, none of them - that does not translate to bitterness. Anger, yes, Bitterness no!
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You concern for me is overwhelming but please don't worry about me, save your worry for the huge mistake you and all the other inners are about to make.

I don't trust those guys, none of them - that does not translate to bitterness. Anger, yes, Bitterness no!
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Who are the guys you don't trust? I don't even know who most of them are, let alone make value judgments on their trustworthiness.
 
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