EU referendum

[Monkfish]

A month to the day until we get to find out how representative of the UK entire a Bluemoon political poll is, can't wait.

This forum is as representative as any voting system (if only white middle aged gobshite men were allowed to vote)

 

[aguero93:20]

This forum is as representative as any voting system (if only white middle aged gobshite men were allowed to vote)

So any 1800s/early 1900s voting system then?

 

[Monkfish]

As aLays, the status quo is "keep on keepin' on," while a change, especially a change of any magnitude, is fraught with future unknowns. Is that a reason to suggest the status quo? I believe not.

Sovereignty either is or is not. The whole "United States of Europe" wet dream is just that. It has created economic wealth for some, while creating a series of have and have not COUNTRIES. That cannot be a recipe for long term success. Britain has always only been a toe-in-the-water European economy, and keeping sterling vice the Euro was a simple easy indicator of Britain's reluctance. It was always just a marriage of convenience, but it is no longer convenience to prop up bankrupt European countries, play second fiddle to Continental politics and watch our billions being flushed down the Central European toilet.

The English Channel protected England from most European invaders for millennia. The free movement of people and monies made that 22 mile stretch of water irrelevant. Hopefully, in the near future, it will once again become a border worth defending against all comers.

You probably missed this news on Fox but the UK is currently have and have not counties, and if we were to leave the eu you think Tyneside is going to benefit? If there are job losses they ain't in Berkshire chicky

 

[Monkfish]

So any 1800s/early 1900s voting system then?

Yeah the golden era of British imperialism, cruelly stolen from us by a little guy from Luxembourg apparently

 

[Monkfish]

Hopefully, in the near future, it will once again become a border worth defending against all comers.

All true Brits need to tie the Union Jack to their manhood and play Jerusalem whilst reading Chickies post and as we reach the'defend the border' bit watch as the flag is hoisted high and proud. I'm welling up, I'm out.

 

[EalingBlue2]

As aLays, the status quo is "keep on keepin' on," while a change, especially a change of any magnitude, is fraught with future unknowns. Is that a reason to suggest the status quo? I believe not.

Sovereignty either is or is not. The whole "United States of Europe" wet dream is just that. It has created economic wealth for some, while creating a series of have and have not COUNTRIES. That cannot be a recipe for long term success. Britain has always only been a toe-in-the-water European economy, and keeping sterling vice the Euro was a simple easy indicator of Britain's reluctance. It was always just a marriage of convenience, but it is no longer convenience to prop up bankrupt European countries, play second fiddle to Continental politics and watch our billions being flushed down the Central European toilet.

The English Channel protected England from most European invaders for millennia. The free movement of people and monies made that 22 mile stretch of water irrelevant. Hopefully, in the near future, it will once again become a border worth defending against all comers.

Good post but I'd take issue with a few points. The English people are virtually entirely made up of people who invaded across the English Channel, be they furnace, German , Scandinavian etc. Apart from my Celtic brothers it would s a country of European invaders and their descendants.

Secondly inequality is better (should I say less bad) than it is in Australia, the US, China, India and in fact nearly all of the world so I am not sure why that is an EU problem.

As for the propping up most of that is debt that won't go when the Euro goes, frankly I am more concerned about the 19 trillion dollar national debt and the propping up of the US economy, the near 2 trillion debt of the UK and the huge unfounded amounts that don't even appear in those calculations .

We should be focusing on these issues rather than creating a decade of uneven sash negotiation and distraction and a recession and banking crisis we don't need to have yet . Then when we actually have the ship righted we can discuss the Relationship with The EU.

At the moment we are sandbagging the house to avoid floods whilst the house is on fire

 

[EalingBlue2]

This forum is as representative as any voting system (if only white middle aged gobshite men were allowed to vote)

That is spot on, most others unfortunately have long left this forum this forum is perfect Donald Trump demographics .

 

[denislawsbackheel]

That's a really valid and important point you raise there.... I will seriously consider changing my mind based on this fantastic revelation. I'm not cheap so it might take a bit more than that but thanks for bringing it to the table!

Did you say embarrassingly infantile?

It sums up the Brexiteers
Every single one of them

Pathetic with their "we are having our way of life changed"and "our influence is no bigger than any other single EU state"and that was just on the news tonight.

Infantile bullshit.

 

[EalingBlue2]

All true Brits need to tie the Union Jack to their manhood and play Jerusalem whilst reading Chickies post and as we reach the'defend the border' bit watch as the flag is hoisted high and proud. I'm welling up, I'm out.

True Brits with their Korean car, Saudi petroleum, French energy , Indian food, Japanese laptop, American digital platform, Czech beer, working for a German company spending German money and sitting around somewhat ironically moaning about foreigners and international business.

 

[BigJoe#1]

What you miss is we probably wouldn't get the same deal outside the EU or as quickly so whilst we are potentially missing this by the EU not signing we are almost certainly not going to get it all by leaving. It could be that outside we could get half of this or no deal at all that is all up in the air. So the article is right but is not necessarily drawing the right counter factual

A bit like Osbornes forecast then? Though I suggest this is a bit more certain than that forecast... You never know we may even strike better deals if it is the UK doing the negotiating as opposed to bring just a bit part player in them.... we just don't know either way, but what we do know us that there are countries outside the EU wanting to do deals and we're denied because we are obliged to move at the pace of the most resistant and the slowest!