EU referendum

[Chancy Termites]

I don't understand this argument. Are City fans more Eurosceptic than the general population?

Has anyone seen a poll with voting intentions split according to gender?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Has anyone seen a poll with voting intentions split according to gender?

Good point. If this board is 95% male, most of whom want out, that must suggest that most men want brexit.
What it doesn't suggest is that 95% of women must want to stay in.

 

[blueinsa]

Tories threatening Dave already with a vote of no confidence if he carries on attacking Boris and co.

It's going to get nasty for Dave is all this.

 

[Chancy Termites]

Good point. If this board is 95% male, most of whom want out, that must suggest that most men want brexit.
What it doesn't suggest is that 95% of women must want to stay in.

Dare you check on mumsnet? I know I don't.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Dare you check on mumsnet? I know I don't.

I'll ask the wife to check what 'Take a break' recommends.

 

[blueonblue]

An overwhelming number of posters have to rely on the media for information. are in response to the newspaper baron's diktats. Funnily enough they are all far right.

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If you want to go down that route then will you also highlight that the leftie BBC is also using "The carefully crafted headlines, the outright lies, the ever more lurid stories of the suffering of women & children refugees", while not pointing out that the vast majority are young men, or even from Syria, to con voters to stay in ?.
Nor the fact that the BBC receive millions from the EU, despite that being against its charter, yet one more example of the utter corruption that this bunch of crooks practice.

Think about it, an organisation takes money from this country to be part of a "Free trade" club, then uses part of that money to promote its own agenda against the interests of the country funding it.

You want to be part of this gang of thieves ?

 

[worsleyweb]

Asda Wembley is no advert for mass immigration and it's positive impact on the country. Seen two fights whilst buying a pork pie.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

Good effort mate but I thought I would point out a few points in case it helps:

- The people trying to tackle the risks of TTIP are often pro EU. The French have achieved safeguards for their film industry whilst out leaders have done fuck all for the NHS.

- How do we control our borders by leaving the EU when most our immigration comes from outside the EU.

- I don't think we would fall apart if we would leave the EU. The most in depth economic analyses say we would probably break even in the longer term - with only the first couple of years being detrimental.

- how about the scare stories from outers on here about terrorists flooding into the UK if we stay in the EU. The reality is that we are exporting international terrorism and our Government is doing too little to late about this. Thank goodness for our effective security services!

- there are valid points to be in and out of the EU. Being mates with Russia isn't the greatest argument for leaving the EU though (as they bomb civilians in Syria!)

- we make most of our own decisions in this country including bombing Libya and Iraq that has done untold damage! collaborating more with other countries would probably do us a power of good!

At what point did I say we were mates with Russia? I'm fully aware of their awful acts in Syria.
My point was that the science guy stated we would lose out if we weren't part of of Europe. Yet science is without borders. They were Russians. They came here because of what we could offer, not because of our EU membership. Look at many scientific breakthroughs and they go far beyond EU cooperation. They are multinational.

Whether most of our immigration comes from outside of the EU is a moot point. The point I made was those that are coming in from outside the EU have to go through checks. They are also accounted for. We have controls in place. Those within the EU can walk in tomorrow unannounced and we would have to deal with that. Again someone has made the mistake of thinking outers are against immigration. We are not. Your point doesn't answer mine, and it should be clear that we regain control of immigration by the points I made. All EU migration is unchecked. When we leave all migrants will follow the same procedures to gain entry.

''The reality is that we are exporting international terrorism''

This has to be the most embarrassing thing I've heard. Sadly not the first time, Even sadder it won't be the last. We export what exactly? What British ideals are being sent abroad to kill innocent people? This goes hand in hand with those who say it has nothing to do with Islam. It's pathetic.
The ideology behind it is religion. We are not exclusively exporting this ideology around Europe. Were the Paris attackers British? Are those holed up in the estates of Belgium and Germany British? No. They carry one defining factor. That they follow a certain version of a certain religion. This idea that it is the UK who is responsible for what is going on is beyond laughable. I would laugh if the consequences of it weren't so tragic for those involved.
I have no doubt some are using that as a scare tactic in the referendum. However, it does have it's logic. Germany recently made a massive cock up by saying they would allow all ''refugees'' in. They opened the flood gates. Once those people are in and have a passport, they are free to move around Europe unchecked.
I am fully aware that there are plenty of valid refugees amongst them. There are though legitimate ways for those anti western groups to send operatives and sleeper cells anywhere in Europe. Europes' open border policies mean that is a valid threat to us. They come here, find like minded people, spread their hate. We then have a far worse problem than is already prevalent.
Had Merkel followed the example of the UK, allowing families in direct from refugee camps, then we would have seen a valid effort to re house those in actual need. Instead she gave a validity to the people smugglers and criminals who ferried many of those people. She opened the flood gates.
At the end you say one good thing. We are thankful for our security services. Who by no means need the EU, and ever closer centralised government, to cooperate with other security services.

Some pro EU are trying to fight TTIP. You are correct. It isn't though, EU policy to fight TTIP. In fact it is EU policy to try and bring it in. And it is EU policy to bring ever closer union under a more centralised European government. Something no European citizen ever voted for.

There are of course some good ideals to the EU. Sadly we are seeing those being used to erode every other freedom we hold dear. In an ideal world, open borders would be fantastic. The idea of an open Europe was that I would have the same benefits if I moved to Poland as a Polish person does coming here. The reality is so far removed from that.

 

[PJMCC1UK]

My point entirely - we are having a referendum - thing is the "outers" will only accept the result if they "win" - total fucking waste of time because Cameron only did this to lance the Tory party weeping sore that is Europe and it will do noting of the sort.

In terms of popularity did a majority of manifesto's include a promise to take the UK out of the EU at the last election? I suspect the view from outside could quickly reverse the "popular" vote. However we shall see

Pretty much like the people who are protesting at everything this government currently. The present government won a majority. Did the losers deal with that? Did they balls, they spat their dummies out and talked of strikes and bringing down this government.
There will be plenty of inners who will not shut up about it. This idea you're putting out that somehow the inners will be so civil and raise a glass of g&t to toast the success of the outers, whilst the outters would kick off big time if we lost isn't helpful, let alone true.
There will be plenty of ''I told you so's'' from either camp.

 

[OnlyOneUweRosler]

We must leave the EU.