Fair points PB plus Bojo Giggs is prepared to shag his own family (the Turks) for personal gain!
I am not defending anything, just laying out the situation, that Brexiters are saying we can do deals here, there and anywhere. It is clearly not true. I am happy to stay in the EU, the bloc needs amendments and hopefully one thing that would come out of this referendum is that the EU Parliament are finally realising change is needed. I want us in the bloc and to be at the front of the changes and be fully engaged in what is happening rather than the buffet option we currently hold.
Not really pal, I'm just very mistrusting of the press and establishment. I think a lot are fed of up of being lied to and deceived. If it was all straight down the line I think many more would vote to remain. As it is, with low wages and no prospects of decent pensions, the poor outnumber the few. Those voting for Brexit are not all racist, in fact, most I know are more tolerant and work alongside more nationalities than those who are trying to sway opinion. They are voting for better wages and a better life for their kids, grandkids.
Boris Johnson, perpetual Tory government and the loss of EU protections of workers. They may think they are voting for higher wages, they are voting for the exact opposite. Opening up to un- protected trade from the economies of Asia and trading with Europe on their terms seems to be the very recipe for lower wages - as British business will need much more productivity.Not really pal, I'm just very mistrusting of the press and establishment. I think a lot are fed of up of being lied to and deceived. If it was all straight down the line I think many more would vote to remain. As it is, with low wages and no prospects of decent pensions, the poor outnumber the few. Those voting for Brexit are not all racist, in fact, most I know are more tolerant and work alongside more nationalities than those who are trying to sway opinion. They are voting for better wages and a better life for their kids, grandkids.
Then that's an argument that our current government is inept. If we have to remain to protect workers rights then we are incapable of governing ourselves. One thing that does puzzle me though, if everyone wants to move to the UK, Polish etc, why don't companies position themselves in Poland and pay £3.50 an hour ?Boris Johnson, perpetual Tory government and the loss of EU protections of workers. They may think they are voting for higher wages, they are voting for the exact opposite. Opening up to un- protected trade from the economies of Asia and trading with Europe on their terms seems to be the very recipe for lower wages - as British business will need much more productivity.
Boris Johnson, perpetual Tory government and the loss of EU protections of workers. They may think they are voting for higher wages, they are voting for the exact opposite. Opening up to un- protected trade from the economies of Asia and trading with Europe on their terms seems to be the very recipe for lower wages - as British business will need much more productivity.
And you do, do you?You were trying to make the pathetic implication that many of the working class thought that the middle class view the working class as "uneducated" and used the phrase as a tool to belittle their opinions as foolish and not to trusted. Your post being "That IS what is implied, though according to many people from a working class background, as these sort of statements are made by people from middle/upper-middle class backgrounds to belittle their opinions as foolish and not to be trusted."
You have no idea how many, if any, hold that view. Those, if any, whether working class or middle class, that hold that view, would have no evidence of that as many working class people do well.
Just a bit of shit stirring from you me thinks.
I am not defending anything, just laying out the situation, that Brexiters are saying we can do deals here, there and anywhere. It is clearly not true. I am happy to stay in the EU, the bloc needs amendments and hopefully one thing that would come out of this referendum is that the EU Parliament are finally realising change is needed. I want us in the bloc and to be at the front of the changes and be fully engaged in what is happening rather than the buffet option we currently hold.
i hope it is and wish it was but for decades have felt in places like the UK, US that the poor are increasingly blamed for poverty and people are looking at ways to almost punish them for poverty. I have always felt the UK way to the right of Europe economically and as such feel that left to their own devices a Tory England would do severe damage to the poorer regions of the country. I know others on the left who feel the oppositeAre you suggesting we don't need to be as productive now because the EU subsidises us in some way?!?! It's the other way round.
National living wage suggests that the inclination is to look after the lowest paid in our society irrespective of the EU.
It's not. Every national poll has Brexit increasing. Te only other statistic that's changing is the number of undecided's. Rose 8% in the past few days.Don't know I'd its been mentioned, but as the brexit rhetoric ramps up,the poll on here is slipping about 5% further towards remain as the vote approaches. If this is a reflection of the national mood its a shoe in for remain sadly.