EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%

  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%
  • Total voters
    1,050
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YPhrunts said:
The EU paid just under €160 Million to Pro-Remain Groups. So when you hear any of these organisations supporting remain just remember that they are on the payroll. That is not including the 2 million paid to the British Broadcasting Corporation.


International Monetary Fund E168.138

OECD E30,523,562

CBI E1,350,737

National Farmers Union Ei33,842

Institute for Fiscal Studies E7,400,974

Price Waterhouse Cooper E16,304778

London School of Economics @18,333,273

Standard and Poor E745,158

Royal Society for Protection of Birds E19,630,265

World Wildlife Trust £45,762,505

Friends of the Earth E17,112,870

Trade Union Council E763,473

National Union of Students E767,196

Unite Union E285,788

Communication Workers Union E25,097

GMB E372, 945

Unison E188,893


TOTAL E159,878,761
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Damn!
Just when the RSPB were about to convince me...
 
This I can believe.... Didn't they restrict the power of vacuum cleaners not so long ago?

http://action.voteleavetakecontrol.org/kettles_and_toasters

Is this really within the remit of the EU? Is it what we expect from them? Is there some kind of agenda going on here to hand commercial advantages to certain countries and sectors? Genuine questions here guys?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Lol, I learnt of this film today, was going to watch it and post, well done you beat me to it.

Seen the first five minutes, are there any interesting revelations?

I guess it will be seen as being propaganda, but no more or no less than the £9m leaflet?
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I guess it will be seen as propaganda but there's a lot of valid points. The fact that it's the commission that has all the power without any accountability and the parliament is fairly toothless is emphasised. The sheer volume of rules and regulations, the decimation of the UK fishing industry. The EU investment being a lot less than what we put in. I've only watched the first half so far and gone for a kebab. I'll watch the rest later.
 
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BigJoe#1 said:
The people of Wales aren't so strong about their option to stay -Trust me. I live in Wales now and I can assure you that amongst the working class labour supporting trade unionists they are about 85% in favour of leaving. It's the richer more affluent parts of Wales (yes they do exist) where you have pockets of support to remain.
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I am not too surprised that many Welsh will vote out, there are large parts of Wales where ukip and even the BNP have had disproportionate support. But that doesn't change the fact I think Wales will suffer a lot from Brexit
 
BigJoe#1 said:
This I can believe.... Didn't they restrict the power of vacuum cleaners not so long ago?

http://action.voteleavetakecontrol.org/kettles_and_toasters

Is this really within the remit of the EU? Is it what we expect from them? Is there some kind of agenda going on here to hand commercial advantages to certain countries and sectors? Genuine questions here guys?
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No they didn't.
They restricted their wattage which has fuck all to do with measuring how effectively they clean.
 
Helmet Cole said:
Fair enough. I wasn't trying to imply your opinion wasn't valid, in fact its interesting to hear from someone with a view from afar.
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Fair enough , it is fair to say that the outcome has less impact on me in a direct sense. I do fear for Europe in or out at the moment and I do think that Brexit can bring some difficult challenges that I don't think the firepower fiscally exists to deal with.
 
SWP's back said:
Who says anything about change for changes sake? Have you ignored the previous 350 pages? Do you still think people want change for the sake of it?

I give up.
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That is true of the thread I don't disagree, but for me it is what the decision really is a vote with little upside but a lot of risk. I accept that I probably have a lower opinion of how London and the south east will treat the rest of Britain, that I don't want a Britain that moves a lot to the right and that I have a bias in favour of the north and the celts , for them I see nearly no upside as a lot of downside.

As for sovereignty , even out Britain will not have economic, military, technology or any sovereignty in any real way and democracy will be no closer to the people than it is now. Would I risk economic turmoil for a false perception of independence? Never.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
Hitler will come back and invade from the Antarctic with his army of UFO's. #strongerIN
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That has been an argument for Brexit already I'm afraid, European dictators marching jack booted to steal our souls was done in the first 100 pages - fear a tool for both sides
 
I love these foreigners who seem to care so much even though they can't even vote on the issue lol
 
EalingBlue2 said:
That has been an argument for Brexit already I'm afraid, European dictators marching jack booted to steal our souls was done in the first 100 pages - fear a tool for both sides
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That's what the EU wants. An end to diverse nations and the promotion of a European identity. We don't want it.
 
denislawsbackheel said:
No they didn't.
They restricted their wattage which has fuck all to do with measuring how effectively they clean.
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Ummm which by definition restricted their power..... I do believe that a less powerful vacuum cleaner makes it more difficult to clean effectively. Anyway WTF has it to do with a bunch of unelected bureaucrats what wattage my vacuum is?
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Ummm which by definition restricted their power..... I do believe that a less powerful vacuum cleaner makes it more difficult to clean effectively. Anyway WTF has it to do with a bunch of unelected bureaucrats what wattage my vacuum is?
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Those sort of decisions will continue to be made by unelected bureaucrats. The Civil Service will simply take over from Brussels on many of the matters that seem to irk Eurosceptics. We've just outsourced bureaucracy for the past 40 years because its useful to have someone else to blame.

No politician is ever going to be voted out of office because of a popular uprising over vacuum cleaner wattages. Its purely a matter for Sir Humphrey to deal with. And 99% of the time Sir Humphrey will simply adopt the EU standard.
 
Mëtal Bikër said:
That's what the EU wants. An end to diverse nations and the promotion of a European identity. We don't want it.
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Most of the history of the last millennium , only really ending in the second half of the last century that is exactly what London has tried to do to the celts and the regions of England . There has been far more of this type of issue internally than externally.

The EU has invested throughout Europe in promoting freedom for smaller countries, supporting the break up of nations to boost minority people's and languages. We have seen in the last twenty years huge progress in this area. I would have said that the Europeam project far more than London has been a driver of this. It is one of the main reasons I would vote in as greater regionalism and investment support to the poorer regions and Celtic fringes and the lives and cultures of the people there are going to be far better protected by Brussels than they ever would by Whitehall

What are you seeking to protect? We live in a totally interdependent world, we have no real economic or millitatery autonomy and the big trends will go on regardless
 
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Fuck me, I see Boris Johnson has hit the self destruct button by comparing what the EU is trying to do with Hitler and Napoleon. Should be fun today with people trying to defend what he said and trying put it into context, and others just slating him. From what I'm hearing in the BBC, they've taken the latter option.
 
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