EU referendum

[Pino]

There is well established information and far more recent and public that Putin support the break up of the EU so if we are going for conspiracy theories do we want to go with the US, NATO and Europe or with Russia?

Interesting question.
Are we in agreement that the US, the EU, NATO (the US), have caused most of the chaos we find ourselves in ?

 

[AlgarveBlu]

You know, I don't buy this "Project Fear" bollocks that the Brexiteers come out with at all.

In the Scottish referendum, it was entirely legitimate to point out the potential adverse consequences of a decision to separate Scotland from the UK. Entirely legitimate. Sturgeon and Salmond were assuring us that yes, we'd be fine using Sterling, we'd still be a member of the EU without any trouble, and we could still have Brenda as our lovely Old Queen. But taking all that at face value wasn't really good enough for a majority of the Scots electorate, and rightly so. Just because Alex says it'll be ok is no basis at all for such an important decision as to take Scotland out of the U.K. .

It was right in the Scots situation, and it is absolutely right in the EU referendum situation. Again, just because Gove says it'll be okay is no basis at all for people to vote to remove the UK from the EU. A decision of such moment needs far better justification, and demonstrable proof that it is the correct one. So far, that is entirely absent. So called "Project Fear" is entirely and unquestionably justified.

Apart from anything else, the implication that we should merely disregard any concerns or worries about the likely consequences of Brexit and simply grin beatifically as we take a giant leap into the darkness is frankly, highly insulting. Sturgeon and Salmond were arrogant and wrong in suggesting something similar and so are the Brexit crowd.

You're right double standards have been used by some of the tories on the brexit side who sat by and endorsed the same arguments against Scottish independence.

What I can't get my head around and god I've tried with some of the remain crew here is what on earth makes you think you are voting for the status quo by voting remain. Ive said this before you are voting for what will be a very different eu in 2-5 years time with in my opinion more risk in terms of unknown quantities than what a post brexit UK would look like.

Hats off to the government though they have pulled a masterstroke on this one and calculated that your average joe is just not going to know anywhere near enough about what is coming down the road with the EU and most people will vote for what they have now - the problem is now is going to change radically going forward.

I would be happy for once to read what someone in the remain camp believes the eu and the uk in it will be in a few years with the inevitable currency issues, federalism and social and political polarisation. At least Damocles stated that he wanted a more federalist Europe, well that's fine and I can fully respect his decision as he's given due consideration to what he's voting for.

 

[BigJoe#1]

the relevance is that if we leave the EU we will be a poorer country than before (and that includes giving away 160m per week) in the opinion of everybody who has analysed the figures
(or 'doing the UK down' as its now referred to by the 2 world wars and one world cup brigade)

when I get a gas bill and suggest the missus eases off the central heating in Summer maybe she will say I'm 'doing the house down'...?

ps any ranting about the 7 billion (fucking billion!) House of Commons refurb?

To your points.... All the people who are expressing these opinion are people who materially benefit by remaining in, don't lose sight of that! They're entitled to an opinion and they are getting fantastic air time - good luck to them (but it isn't fair).

As for a £7bn refurb.... don't get me facing started.

Oh and our heating is off and stays off until the triple jumpers we're wearing stop being effective!

 

[BigJoe#1]

So inners, what impact do you think Turkey demanding they get what the EU promised them, visa free travel in the Shengen zone, will have on the EU and the prospect of Turks (and anyone who holds a Turkish passport), will have on the overall EU?

Are you content that Turkey are in a position to make such a demand?

Whilst I fully acknowledge it will have minimum if any immediate direct impact on the UK, in the longer term I think it is unsafe and destabilising for Europe andtheUK, though very much more so for the EU!

What are your thoughts?

 

[KenTheLandlord]

Can't see the relevance of your post in relation to the EU question.

Don't get me wrong, HMRC should be nailing every tax avoiding fucker and corporation every minute of every minute of fucking day.

I am no way a Tory sympathiser, I fucking hate Gove and Patel as much as I despise the lying Osborne and Cameron (well maybe I despise the latter pairing more at this precise moment). They are all in it together and the rest of us are in the shit. Don't think any different.

If Labour had a decent leader they would fuckin walk the next election, sadly Corbyn is as devisive as Cameron.

If you think we can afford to give away £160m a week, fine, but for me it's money we could use to benefit (albeit small) and build this country instead of being used to fucking move people once a month from fuckin Brussels to fuckin Strasbourg just to vote on how bent the bananas we buy should be!

Rant over, thank you!

@Monkfish has it covered.

I would rather pay them to move people once a month.
Can you stop listening to Boris Johnson and his banana shite.

 

[KenTheLandlord]

So inners, what impact do you think Turkey demanding they get what the EU promised them, visa free travel in the Shengen zone, will have on the EU and the prospect of Turks (and anyone who holds a Turkish passport), will have on the overall EU?

Are you content that Turkey are in a position to make such a demand?

Whilst I fully acknowledge it will have minimum if any immediate direct impact on the UK, in the longer term I think it is unsafe and destabilising for Europe andtheUK, though very much more so for the EU!

What are your thoughts?

Simple really, if the UK and any other country don't want them in, they veto it and Turkey remain out.
They can jump about all they want and people can get agitated all they like.

 

[kevin horlocks wand]

In or out we will be fine the people here and businesses will continue and nothing is going to happen of any significance that will affect the opening day of the season or our lives. The economy and politics will adjust and we will go on.

The passion and fear on both sides in the uk is simple selfish politics and needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

The USA wants a united Europe with the Baltic states and former ussr states joining as that makes Russia weaker and France Germany and uk are pro US

Cameron has said he will not stand again so you have a political battle between Osborne and boris as the two contenders who are hanging the result as a view on who will be pm. They hate each other and Cameron has to back his chancellor

Cameron and Samantha probably fancy becoming commissioners and living in Europe for a while. Most leaders end up going to Brussels for a final pay day.

Corbyn hates the Eu and it goes against everything he has said in the last 40 years so he is saying nowt.

The eu does not want the uk to leave as that will unsettle their project and affect their balance sheet. It could lead to a break up and they don't want that. That would be a pain in the arse for them.

Big business wants to stay because it suits the leaders of that business. Cheap labour, nannies, coffee makers, painters builders etc. These fuckers at the top would leave their company or this country in a flash in or out if they could get more dosh somewhere else.

The Far East and Australia ask Ealing blue I have no idea.....


The only thing people need to think about in, is in is not voting in for the acceptance of the Eu now but what it will be in 10 years. It will be very different and powerful. That could be a good thing or a bad thing of course but one thing is sure if we vote to stay political, military and tax integration will continue at pace.

 

[stonerblue]

Do you not consider that Austrian vote and uprising of fright (this was an auto correct error, but I like it) wing groups across the whole of Europe has anything to do with the immigration crisis, the cause of the immigration crisis and the way the immigration crisis us being handled both by individual countries and by the collective EU? We cannot bury our heads in the sand and deny it.

The immigration 'crisis' is fuel for the fire as far as far right wankers are concerned. They think they have the opportunity to spout their shite as legitimate concerns when in reality they simply don't like foreigners.

 

[BigJoe#1]

Simple really, if the UK and any other country don't want them in, they veto it and Turkey remain out.
They can jump about all they want and people can get agitated all they like.

Not quite that simple Ken, I wish it was.

They have threatened to pull the plug on the Immigration deal they've done with the EU unless the visa free travel arrangements are implemented and soon. I know this isn't them joining the EU, but as far as the average European public goes, it's almost as good as!

The options are... We let them travel freely or we get the immigrants piling across the continent again!

 

[BigJoe#1]

@Monkfish has it covered.

I would rather pay them to move people once a month.
Can you stop listening to Boris Johnson and his banana shite.

No! bananas really did happen, admittedly it was repealed, which in my view makes it even worse, spending loads of money to achieve something then another load to repeal it... and we're talking tens if millions... YCNMIU!

 

[Monkfish]

So inners, what impact do you think Turkey demanding they get what the EU promised them, visa free travel in the Shengen zone, will have on the EU and the prospect of Turks (and anyone who holds a Turkish passport), will have on the overall EU?

Are you content that Turkey are in a position to make such a demand?

Whilst I fully acknowledge it will have minimum if any immediate direct impact on the UK, in the longer term I think it is unsafe and destabilising for Europe andtheUK, though very much more so for the EU!

What are your thoughts?

isn't it just visa free travel, rather than right to work? if so no issues here, it will save me a few quid on the Turkish visa I have to buy every year. ...and the Turkish people are the nicest people I have ever met

 

[BigJoe#1]

isn't it just visa free travel, rather than right to work? if so no issues here, it will save me a few quid on the Turkish visa I have to buy every year. ...and the Turkish people are the nicest people I have ever met

Yes, it is only visa free travel..... glad you're content with that, whilst most of Europe are doing all they can to prevent it.

What was it someone posted about selfish politics?

 

[Monkfish]

No! bananas really did happen, admittedly it was repealed, which in my view makes it even worse, spending loads of money to achieve something then another load to repeal it... and we're talking tens if millions... YCNMIU!

its not really true though is it? It was a stupid regulation about bananas not being too bendy, nobody followed it, it didn't cost millions and was removed as it was stupid, if thats the best Bozzas got against the weight of independent figures then were done here, bring the referendum forwards to tomorrow, nothing to see here...

 

[Monkfish]

Yes, it is only visa free travel..... glad you're content with that, whilst most of Europe are doing all they can to prevent it.

What was it someone posted about selfish politics?

Why don't you want Turkish people to visit our magnificent country? Want it all to yourself? Whats that about selfish politics?

 

[BigJoe#1]

Why don't you want Turkish people to visit our magnificent country? Want it all to yourself? Whats that about selfish politics?

Where at any point have I said I don't want Turkish people to visit our magnificent country? Please quote. Thanks.

 

[BigJoe#1]

its not really true though is it? It was a stupid regulation about bananas not being too bendy, nobody followed it, it didn't cost millions and was removed as it was stupid, if thats the best Bozzas got against the weight of independent figures then were done here, bring the referendum forwards to tomorrow, nothing to see here...

Was it as stupid as the legislation that forced a fishmonger to spend 25k getting "This product contains fish" printed on clear wrap fish? You can see its fish.... but we confirm at our cost.

 

[grunge]

Was it as stupid as the legislation that forced a fishmonger to spend 25k getting "This product contains fish" printed on clear wrap fish? You can see its fish.... but we confirm at our cost.

£25k to get "this product contains fish" printed on some plastic, I think thats a sign they need to find a better printer!

 

[CitizenTID]

It's not from Yorkshire? I always wondered where the tea fields were. How the fuck do they get away with it. Eccles cakes are still from Eccles aren't they?

Haha I don't know what to believe anymore!

 

[BigJoe#1]

£25k to get "this product contains fish" printed on some plastic, I think thats a sign they need to find a better printer!

Careful your showing ignorance of which I'm certain you are not worthy, nor is it justified.

 

[CitizenTID]

In or out we will be fine the people here and businesses will continue and nothing is going to happen of any significance that will affect the opening day of the season or our lives. The economy and politics will adjust and we will go on.

The passion and fear on both sides in the uk is simple selfish politics and needs to be taken with a pinch of salt.

The USA wants a united Europe with the Baltic states and former ussr states joining as that makes Russia weaker and France Germany and uk are pro US

Cameron has said he will not stand again so you have a political battle between Osborne and boris as the two contenders who are hanging the result as a view on who will be pm. They hate each other and Cameron has to back his chancellor

Cameron and Samantha probably fancy becoming commissioners and living in Europe for a while. Most leaders end up going to Brussels for a final pay day.

Corbyn hates the Eu and it goes against everything he has said in the last 40 years so he is saying nowt.

The eu does not want the uk to leave as that will unsettle their project and affect their balance sheet. It could lead to a break up and they don't want that. That would be a pain in the arse for them.

Big business wants to stay because it suits the leaders of that business. Cheap labour, nannies, coffee makers, painters builders etc. These fuckers at the top would leave their company or this country in a flash in or out if they could get more dosh somewhere else.

The Far East and Australia ask Ealing blue I have no idea.....


The only thing people need to think about in, is in is not voting in for the acceptance of the Eu now but what it will be in 10 years. It will be very different and powerful. That could be a good thing or a bad thing of course but one thing is sure if we vote to stay political, military and tax integration will continue at pace.

Sounds a lot like the "New World Order" to me.