EU referendum

[Zuriblue]

Who the fuck are we going to beat 137-1?

Rags? I can but hope.

 

[flyer]

I don't know whether we should be in or out and I'm not sure anybody really does. What I do know is that having come to a referendum, a remain vote takes whatever power we have away from us. If Cameron or any future leader doesn't like some future EU policy and starts to complain, the EU will tell him to sod off because his country seems to approve of the way the EU is run.

 

[Malty]

Cameron still stuttering over the issue of his promise to reduce immigration.. he knows he is wrong and he has no answers.

Like the lady just said on ITV, trade deals will be struck whether we are in the EU or not, as long as it best for both parties.

Vote Leave, let's pull the trigger !!

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Many, many businesses do not do business with the EU but they still have to conform to EU standards and red tape!

We live in a Health and Safety environment regardless of the EU. For example, a leading air industry safety expert has been just appointed as Head of Inspection for the NHS. Last week I spent for hours doing statutory and mandatory e-learning to maintain accreditation.

This red tape is frustrating for us free spirited types but it is a symptom of the modern world!

 

[Malty]

I don't know whether we should be in or out and I'm not sure anybody really does. What I do know is that having come to a referendum, a remain vote takes whatever power we have away from us. If Cameron or any future leader doesn't like some future EU policy and starts to complain, the EU will tell him to sod off because his country seems to approve of the way the EU is run.

In a nutshell, we won't get this opportunity to leave the EU again for donkeys years.. this is the our chance to get the power back with the British public. Sensible post seeing the bigger picture here.

 

[bluethrunthru]

Very polished from Nigel Farage cutting off that EU foreigner "sorry.. who are Spain!? we won't be bullied by ANYONE WE ARE BRITAIN !!" you have to love that as a Brit. The patriotism lacking in British politics for years.

The sentiment may be applauded but his boorish loud mouthed approach does nthing for me I have to say. When the camera was on him and he was listening to the questioner he looked like he had glazed over and zoned out then rather than answer the question he just did his usual grandstanding.

 

[FanchesterCity]

Which cuts have the public not really grasped as of yet ?

We don't know where they will come, only that our debt levels are pretty dire with no sign of decreasing them without more cuts. Sadly no government wants to implement them because they are political suicide and also dangerous if they don't manage them well... they can make matters worse.

Unless there's a miraculous surge in growth, we can't reign in the debt without more cuts.

 

[Malty]

The EU voting website is down LOL must be thousands of undecided voters who are very impressed with Nigel Farage's performance, he basically said what the flaws are of remaining in the EU. We have a stronger chance going alone. Yes it isn't perfect but it is the best we have at getting our country back.

If we don't vote LEAVE we will regret it in a year or two when everyone will want to leave.. but then it's too late.

Cameron lied to us about reducing immigration, don't be fooled again Britain !

 

[Blue Hefner]

I thought that too - if only ITV had a news channel............................. oh hang on...............

Just put News at 10 on and there are 2 people talking about it. The blonde women from the DM think it was a draw and the bloke from the New Statement thinks Cameron won

The blonde women just said some recording is coming out of Cameron giving his backing to Turkey joining the EU

There is another one on Thursday at 8pm, hosted by the same person unfortunately

 

[bluethrunthru]

We live in a Health and Safety environment regardless of the EU. For example, a leading air industry safety expert has been just appointed as Head of Inspection for the NHS. Last week I spent for hours doing statutory and mandatory e-learning to maintain accreditation.

This red tape is frustrating for us free spirited types but it is a symptom of the modern world!

I find it preferable that there are H&S standards that are applied and overseen in places like the NHS and the air industry ... all that frustrating red tape eh.... keeping the operating instruments sterile and the planes fully functioning and airworthy............ bit of a bugger for the free spirited patient or airline passenger.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

Very polished from Nigel Farage cutting off that EU foreigner spouting rubbish like we are some small nation who can be bullied "sorry.. who are Spain!? we won't be bullied by ANYONE WE ARE BRITAIN !!" you have to love that as a Brit. The patriotism lacking in British politics for years.

We're getting threatened by bullies, it's playground threats from other countries in the eu.

 

[Malty]

Fair play to that NHS worker who basically trashed Cameron and said the NHS is broken, she can't do her job properly as she doesn't have the tools.. poor woman seemed like a carer who is broken on monkey wages at the end of her tether with it all !

 

[TRUE BLUE NO1]

Why does he keep saying "he's got" his proposals to the EU?

They've not decided on them yet as far as I'm aware and won't make a decision until after the referendum which if we stay in they'll fucking ignore anyway.

He's a lying charlatan.

I'm sure someone will tell me if I'm wrong but EU members have agreed to the proposals already and thats why a agreement has been drafted...it just needs to be activated once we have agreed to stay......the EU members already voted on the draft.....it's a bit like agreeing a fee and personal terms with a player and just waiting for him to arrive to sign......EU waiting to hear if we want to "stay" before getting the signature.....but the proposals have already past/agreed by EU members....

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Which cuts have the public not really grasped as of yet ?

He means the fact that there's far worse to come. But hang on, our EU membership brings us financial stability and economic growth we're told. So how come our economy isn't really growing, our national debt is increasing at a rate of knots and our balance of payments is getting worse and worse. And that most of Southern Europe is a financial basket case, despite being in this community that apparently so strengthens our trade and finances.

The truth is that us and Germany keep the EU going financially and if we come out I suspect the whole thing will collapse in a heap within 5 years. The EU was a Franco-German con-trick to dominate Europe but the French really don't even seem that interested these days. The post-war West German leadership were very clever. They saw a way that they could rule Europe politically and financially without actually invading it. So instead of fighting tank battles, they signed European treaties. Instead of the SS & Gestapo, they set up the European Parliament and European Central Bank and simply moved the Reichstag to Brussels.

 

[Malty]

he keeps going on about the car inustry. Someone needs to ask him about the steel industry

"just for one example the car industry.." if you use the same example all the time it isn't just one example, Dithering Dave.

Like the lady on ITV said, all the car dealers said the EU vote won't stop them trading whichever way it goes.

Why does he keep saying "he's got" his proposals to the EU?

They've not decided on them yet as far as I'm aware and won't make a decision until after the referendum which if we stay in they'll fucking ignore anyway.

He's a lying charlatan.

He's deluding himself in thinking he went to Brussels marching into the EU HQ and started dictating things, and he walked away with a great deal for Britain.. either he is deluded or he thinks British voters are thick as pigshite.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

I find it preferable that there are H&S standards that are applied and overseen in places like the NHS and the air industry ... all that frustrating red tape eh.... keeping the operating instruments sterile and the planes fully functioning and airworthy............ bit of a bugger for the free spirited patient or airline passenger.

It's certainly essential in many parts of the Airline Industry and the NHS. Sharing safety expertise across sectors is particularly welcome too.

Redoing Infirmation Governance e-learning is a bit less crucial and I should have made my point clearer.

 

[FanchesterCity]

The sentiment may be applauded but his boorish loud mouthed approach does nthing for me I have to say. When the camera was on him and he was listening to the questioner he looked like he had glazed over and zoned out then rather than answer the question he just did his usu5th largestl grandstanding.

Try saying that when you're negotiating with a German counterpart, or a guy in France, or Holland...
Of course patriotism is a vote winner - it always has been. You watch American politicians laying it on thick - they're the best / worst in the world for it.

But being in, or out of the EU doesn't stop you being 'bullied' (poor choice of words). Whatever we vote for, we still have to sit across the table from business partners across the globe and reach agreements, and in some cases, we hold the upper hand, in other cases we don't. If we're going to be bullied IN the EU, then we'll be bullied outside of it too. But I don't see it as bullying - I see it simply as negotiating strength which varies all the time, and between different companies and nations. We seem to be holding our own perfectly well within the EU, and that's reflected in us still being the 5th largest economy in the world. There's no indication that we're being pushed down the rankings by our EU counterparts.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

What are the polls saying at the moment?

all completely different things. I wouldn't trust any of them, especially after the last election where they were all wrong.

 

[Tim of the Oak]

Very polished from Nigel Farage cutting off that EU foreigner spouting rubbish like we are some small nation who can be bullied "sorry.. who are Spain!? we won't be bullied by ANYONE WE ARE BRITAIN !!" you have to love that as a Brit. The patriotism lacking in British politics for years.

So let's all get ready to shout "Who R Ya!" At Pep Guardiola in August!

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

either he is deluded or he thinks British voters are thick as pigshite.

Well British voters gave him an overall majority so let's face it, he has good reason to believe they're thick as pigshit.