EU referendum

EU referendum

  • In

    Votes: 503 47.9%
  • Out

    Votes: 547 52.1%

  • Total voters
    1,050
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Mate have a go at disabilities why not, read your post , correct it and stop being stubborn. I was commenting on your propaganda ability and twisted questions not your politics.

How about you correct your propaganda on the difference between MASS immigration & immigration ?, GDP GROWTH has fallen since being in the EU, it has declined since we joined, better now ?
 
You really are a joke, that is saying exactly what I am saying if you're capable of understanding it and me.

If you care to read back I have since say one been saying the leave campaign should focus on the nett figure. Quoting the gross gives rise to debate and feeds people like you who cannot defend remain, only attack Leave.

What is not to understand?

To quote your link.

The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back.

In 2015 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was £4.5 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at about £8.5 billion.

oh Beej, 8.5 billion/52 does not equal 350m.
 
How about you correct your propaganda on the difference between MASS immigration & immigration ?, GDP GROWTH has fallen since being in the EU, it has declined since we joined, better now ?
That is a judgement statement and not a fact of the language. Immigration can refer to any level of immigration, the dictionary does not specify a %.

It has fallen compared to that one year , yes that's fine but that year was a bubble that burst and followed a growth period after three decades of economic problems and one decade taken up by war.

A fairer comparison would be to compare 40 years pre and 40 years post though the war distorts it, after all that year was higher than nearly every year in the 19th century before it so maybe it was only the exciting EEC prospect that caused it?
 
Come on!!

Immigration is a small consideration in this decision at best...it's only an issue so the remain can play the racist card...most just want out so we can govern ourselves rather than putting our countries finances in the hands of faceless Brussels bureaucrats...workers rights...wages...being able to run our country as we see fit...and the absolute certainty that the EU is going to go tits up in the near future...dragging us and several billion pounds of our money with it

To say British born Asians will feel like foreigners in their own country is absolutely ludicrous...there are plenty of countries outside of the EU who have immigrant populations...the EU is a fucking trade agreement FFS...we are still part of Europe

We will need to see what happens if Bojo or Boris become PM. Immigration is Bojo's, Gove's and Farrage's main issue. Hence he gets his passport out numerous times per day. That said, I know the contributors to this forum are genuinely posting because of a wide range of issues.

Brexit or remain might be a storm in a teacup but why have the words person and people been replaced by immigrant and immigrants in the political debate (often unnecessarily)?

I am against open door immigration but the insidious nature of the debate could do lasting damage! I hope not.
 
In your lifetime being the operative word...most leave voters are thinking of the long term bigger picture...the EU will go one of two ways...it will fail spectacularly taking us with it...or in time it will become United States Of Europe...either way...we are fucked

The time to press on with the fiscal and political was after the Euro crisis in 2009. Germany and various EU bureaucrats proposed fiscal union but received only lukewarm support for it, not even from France. And, as the Leavers have quite rightly pointed out, Euroscepticism has increased across Europe since then.

My guess is that when the next Euro crisis occurs there will be further calls for fiscal and political union and, again, it just will not happen. Eventually they'll accept reality and start the process of an orderly unravelling of the Euro. By 2030 we'll all have national currencies again.
 
I think the UK is toast and I think what's being ignored in all this also is Northern Ireland, the border, future sectarianism. Huge EU money has gone in and 27 EU countries will have a say on the border.

Cameron is a turd but he is less of an ideologue and less right wing than Boris , I think unfortunate,y short term pain could be so great there won't be a comeback for things like the NHS

The NHS will be safe..it's the jewel in the crown (pardon the pun) and IMO untouchable

No government in their right mind would dream of fucking it over..because to do so would guarantee a unification of the vote and them out on their pampered Derierres..it's possibly the last bastion of public pride left in the UK..and it will never go down without a fight to rival all fights
 
But it's just like the live debate last night...the remain just being shouty and aggressive...making assumptions

A lot of the left are firmly in the leave camp...to imply we all have BNP membership is just insulting

There you go with that "all" generalisation again. Is it a deliberate ploy on your part? Make out like the Remain camp are saying that ALL trade with Europe will be lost, so that you can show that it won't be (any conveniently covering up the fact that no-one ever said it would be.)

So, no, not ALL Brexit supporters are xenophobes, but a proportion most certainly are.

xenophobia
zɛnəˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.​

Yes, that sums up quite a lot of people in the out camp.
 
The left leavers want to recreate the 1950's the right leavers the 1850's so you are a century ahead of many of your fellow recruits

Nicely put. The right leavers will get the 1950's though if/when Corbyn kicks out a split and unelectable Tory government. He may well win it now either way.
 
That is a disgusting comment of which you should be ashamed , millions were murdered as you well know and to belittle those millions for a cheap political point ........
Bollocks. A little glib maybe but Germany is, by some considerable distance the largest net contributor to the EU. Germany today dominates the EU in a far more efficient way than Hitler dominated Europe in 1941 and without those millions of deaths.

As Don Corleone said, a man with a briefcase can steal far more than a man with a gun.
 
Come on guys!

The EU may be able to divide our opinions (and possibly our wallets) - but not our friendships. We're all blues and I'm sure very decent blokes. We aren't that lot across the road!
 
So, no, not ALL Brexit supporters are xenophobes, but a proportion most certainly are.

xenophobia
zɛnəˈfəʊbɪə/
noun
dislike of or prejudice against people from other countries.​

Yes, that sums up quite a lot of people in the out camp.

How the fuck do you know?!

Will the far right be voting leave?

Course they will..for their own agenda

What percentage of the far right make up the leave vote?

Who knows..but judging by right wing rallies..not a lot

Socialist Worker backs the leave vote

Loads of left voting forward thinking Unionists are voting leave

Labour politicians are voting leave

It is NOT the case that the majority of leave voters are in any way prejudice..racist or xenophobic

We just want what is right for the country and firmly believe sitting on our hands and saying 'Oh it's ok..it will all work out in the end' is not the solution to the growing, tangible and visible concerns that are occurring within the EU RIGHT NOW
 
The time to press on with the fiscal and political was after the Euro crisis in 2009. Germany and various EU bureaucrats proposed fiscal union but received only lukewarm support for it, not even from France. And, as the Leavers have quite rightly pointed out, Euroscepticism has increased across Europe since then.

My guess is that when the next Euro crisis occurs there will be further calls for fiscal and political union and, again, it just will not happen. Eventually they'll accept reality and start the process of an orderly unravelling of the Euro. By 2030 we'll all have national currencies again.

I think that's very likely. When Italy's banks start defaulting, it will make the Greek crisis look like a tea party.
 
The NHS will be safe..it's the jewel in the crown (pardon the pun) and IMO untouchable

No government in their right mind would dream of fucking it over..because to do so would guarantee a unification of the vote and them out on their pampered Derierres..it's possibly the last bastion of public pride left in the UK..and it will never go down without a fight to rival all fights
Boris dreams about fucking it over every night he goes to bed!

I don't think it would first it would be cutting certain expensive treatments on health conditions more common in the poor and vulnerable, then closing hospitals in poor high immigrant areas, then small contributions required on certain items biased to disparate and politically weak minorities. They will do it easily snip by snip and because it is done this way they will keep much of the country for long enough that it's too late to save.
 
How the fuck do you know?! <about xenophobes in the Leave camp>

Er, talking to people? A huge proportion of the elderly - who are themselves strongly in favour of leaving - are xenophobic. Try talking to them and ask them what they think about foreigners working in Tesco's or the NHS. Just try it.

Or, alternatively, watch the TV for 10 minutes.
 
I think that's very likely. When Italy's banks start defaulting, it will make the Greek crisis look like a tea party.
If that happens europe including Britain is royally fucked anyways- time for the ten pound Pom to be reinstated but maybe it'll be the ten thousand pound Pom
 
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