European away games ticketing policy

Rather than taking passports and driving licences, have a photo on seasoncards, with random spot checks at away games. Then as mentioned, a points reduction if someone is found with your ticket.
As for the points, it's difficult to change now as the club have sold platinum cards based on the loyalty points system.
 
Actually, I think it does. And, in turn, you sound like a more deserving fan that lots of others (including myself). But the JCL jibes from some posters on here are well out of order. As you say, not everyone has the endless supplies of time and money needed to do every single game, so I think some of the insulting language is uncalled for.

As for fixing the loyalty points system, just do it over a rolling 5-year period and have 15-20% of fans pick up their tickets in the host city. That would solve all the issues as far as I can tell, while also rewarding regular match-going fans and giving the younger lads a chance of one day catching up.
So 15% to 20% get to pick up on site how do the other 80% to 85% get their's through the post well that's cut down the great ticket hand on by 15% to 20% then. As for the 5 year rolling scheme yes I can see the benefit of that, for a short while everyone will have a chance at the glamour games then after a couple of seasons the same people who do most of the less glamorous ones will be be back at the top until the cycle repeats again.
 
So 15% to 20% get to pick up on site how do the other 80% to 85% get their's through the post well that's cut down the great ticket hand on by 15% to 20% then. As for the 5 year rolling scheme yes I can see the benefit of that, for a short while everyone will have a chance at the glamour games then after a couple of seasons the same people who do most of the less glamorous ones will be be back at the top until the cycle repeats again.

A rolling period wouldn't reset the loyalty points, it would just cut off anything older than 5 years (it would be in effect straight away). Everyone at the front of the queue could continue going, but the distance to catch up if you're a young fan who couldn't attend games previously wouldn't be as far.
 
So 15% to 20% get to pick up on site how do the other 80% to 85% get their's through the post well that's cut down the great ticket hand on by 15% to 20% then. As for the 5 year rolling scheme yes I can see the benefit of that, for a short while everyone will have a chance at the glamour games then after a couple of seasons the same people who do most of the less glamorous ones will be be back at the top until the cycle repeats again.
The 15-20% would be decided completely randomly for each game, with serious points-based penalties for those caught passing their tickets on. It's not flawless, but it's a deterrent.

Not sure I get your point about the 5-year rolling period. There would be no cycle: the people who are currently top of the pile would stay there for as long as they are going to most of the games. They just wouldn't be miles off into the distance based on games they went to 10 years ago, which should motivate younger supporters to get tickets whenever they become available.
 
A rolling period wouldn't reset the loyalty points, it would just cut off anything older than 5 years (it would be in effect straight away). Everyone at the front of the queue could continue going, but the distance to catch up if you're a young fan who couldn't attend games previously wouldn't be as far.
Don't you think that's a bit flawed it's like a 66% devaluation of the points but the same people who travel would still have first dibs on tickets so although the gap would be smaller then young fan would still be unable to buy the big game tickets they crave. I can see if they'd be prepared to put the miles in at the mid week game's home and away then they may catch up but to be honest would they looking at the crowds v Bucharest and BMG I reckon there's more than a few ain't that arsed.
 
So 15% to 20% get to pick up on site how do the other 80% to 85% get their's through the post well that's cut down the great ticket hand on by 15% to 20% then. As for the 5 year rolling scheme yes I can see the benefit of that, for a short while everyone will have a chance at the glamour games then after a couple of seasons the same people who do most of the less glamorous ones will be be back at the top until the cycle repeats again.

The way Utd do it, is you don't know if you will be selected to pick up on match day when you purchase.
Then if you're selected to pick up on day and someone else tries to collect your ticket, or you fail to turn up, or if you try to cancel the order - then you get a ban for 12 games & if occurs again can lose season ticket.

So it would be effective in stopping people applying for away tickets they don't intend using.

I'm not advocating this policy, just pointing out that it would work if the objective was to ensure correct person used each away ticket. Once bans started being handed out people would amend their behaviour.
My own view, as has been pointed out already, is that we don't sell out our aways or have anywhere near as many want it go as Utd, Liverpool do. So it's not needed yet. But I think as/when we do start selling out all the time then it's the easiest and most effective policy. Perhaps with a rolling points system.
 
Don't you think that's a bit flawed it's like a 66% devaluation of the points but the same people who travel would still have first dibs on tickets so although the gap would be smaller then young fan would still be unable to buy the big game tickets they crave. I can see if they'd be prepared to put the miles in at the mid week game's home and away then they may catch up but to be honest would they looking at the crowds v Bucharest and BMG I reckon there's more than a few ain't that arsed.
It's certainly not perfect, but it has less flaws than the current system, and that's what City should be aiming for.

You may well be right that these younger supporters won't pick up the slack. But the current system doesn't really motivate them to, and that's what needs rectifying in my opinion.
 
Don't you think that's a bit flawed it's like a 66% devaluation of the points but the same people who travel would still have first dibs on tickets so although the gap would be smaller then young fan would still be unable to buy the big game tickets they crave. I can see if they'd be prepared to put the miles in at the mid week game's home and away then they may catch up but to be honest would they looking at the crowds v Bucharest and BMG I reckon there's more than a few ain't that arsed.
Every system is flawed though. I think a loyalty points based system is the least flawed, however it has to have a cut off. I reckon someone who's just turned 18 now and can travel on their own to away games would need a solid 5 or 6 years going to EVERY game to even get close to the people at the top of the pile. A lot of people would drop out more quickly and the result would mean our fanbase would continue to evolve healthily rather than ageing. We lost a generation of supporters to united and we're losing another because the away day culture isn't accessible to them.

Realistically though, you are correct in a way. I don't even necessarily think points whoring is the biggest issue here. Someone with 20,000 points is only entitled to 1 ticket. I seriously doubt there will be that many who do it for every game (you'll get hundreds who buy a ticket and can't attend as a one off). The issue is all the corporate tickets we're dishing out. That's why it's become so much harder to buy tickets. Did you know that if you have a box you're entitled to 6 tickets for ANY game?
 
Umpteen pages of people debating and moaning about a ballot system which the club have never mentioned and has very little chance of being put in place.
Also still people saying they would rather keep the system as it is as it is fairer for points holders and stops ticket whoring, no one is saying change that element, it's the collection process which is the issue. It is possible to keep the same system without the ball ache of collecting tickets. You can have one without the other !
 
The 15-20% would be decided completely randomly for each game, with serious points-based penalties for those caught passing their tickets on. It's not flawless, but it's a deterrent.

Not sure I get your point about the 5-year rolling period. There would be no cycle: the people who are currently top of the pile would stay there for as long as they are going to most of the games. They just wouldn't be miles off into the distance based on games they went to 10 years ago, which should motivate younger supporters to get tickets whenever they become available.
I see what you're thinking is now the club discards the support from when we we're bobbins for the newer fan (only joking) I can see a 5 or 10 year cut off being a possibility and something the club may look at, as human beings we do tend to die off letting younger lads go and I do see plenty of youngsters at both domestic and Euro away's so I assume they've spent a fair bit of time and money watching City.
 

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