Everton v City post match

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Shirley said:
I'm certain our owner has plans to win the Chumps cup during Pep's tenure, to not be competing in it for a couple of seasons would be disaster after all the money spent and the effort to bring Pep to Manchester.
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It hasn't stopped other sides that are not in it from improving their squads and we should be no different.

We have been victim if anything to too many agents spruiking over priced players that not suited to the premiership with the lure of Chumps League as well full stop.

We need a new approach that recognises the qualities of what is required for winning while being entertaining at the same time.

Some if not all the best performers in the premiership are not in
Metalartin said:
Do you ever wish you could have a glimpse at a parallel timeline? What happens if we get the penalty we should have had?

We were playing well, growing in confidence since even when they tried to press they couldn't get it(they were sitting back yes but nobody "lets" a team have it for the length of time we were keeping it in their own ground), we go 1-0 up after the penalty and they can no longer sit back, all of sudden there is space in behind for us to get at with our tails up and full belief in the system. Yesterday when that second goal went in I saw doubt and uncertainty creep back in, maybe some are ageing or not quite up to the standard required to truly take teams apart with Pep's style but we've already seen what it looks like when our players are getting it right... If we already have a sports psychologist then we need a new one because the same thing was happening under Peller's, the mental side of the game is so big it helped Leicester to their first PL title, it saw Chelsea spend an alarming amount of time in the bottom half of the table last season it's too easy to put it all on a manager there's only so much they can control, he can only show them the way. Take a look at the difference between West Ham and Everton one ground is more open the other is old fashioned and hostile(I could hear one guy giving it out "Sterling you're shit... city you're shit" all match haha) and look at the stark difference in the performances, yes West Ham had a stinker but we really were good, started the game at Everton much the same way but the goal didn't come and we lost our nerve too easily.
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Mindset of the team is poor in that case.

Good sides overcome adversity or setbacks.

Its been said often that we have no leadership and no fight which is basically the case.

The record when we are behind at half time is woeful.

Bottom line is the vast majority of the squad is totally inappropriate for what we need going forward and needs to be shipped out and replaced by players that can buy into what is required to be successful in the premiership and in Europe.
 
Neville Kneville said:
No it shows that I thought he was a good but not great manager & Pep is an all time great irrespective of whether he was to fail at City. I think most people in the football world would be of a similar ish opinion.

Brian Clough didn't become shit because he failed at Leeds. Nor would Guardiola at City.

And you Mancini characters are a bunch of fucking weirdos imo.

He's been gone for fucking years yet so many appear when we lose to try & score points. It's weird & it's fucking stupid & pointless.

It's as if you are being paid to mention him & try to stir shit for revenge rather than just discussing the present situation.
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Failed at Leeds? What in a month? That's pretty good going. Once the booze got hold of him he destroyed forest. But I'm not having it he failed at Leeds.
 
mancity1 said:
It hasn't stopped other sides that are not in it from improving their squads and we should be no different.

We have been victim if anything to too many agents spruiking over priced players that not suited to the premiership with the lure of Chumps League as well full stop.

We need a new approach that recognises the qualities of what is required for winning while being entertaining at the same time.

Some if not all the best performers in the premiership are not in


Mindset of the team is poor in that case.

Good sides overcome adversity or setbacks.

Its been said often that we have no leadership and no fight which is basically the case.

The record when we are behind at half time is woeful.

Bottom line is the vast majority of the squad is totally inappropriate for what we need going forward and needs to be shipped out and replaced by players that can buy into what is required to be successful in the premiership and in Europe.
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Yeah defence needs sorting everyone can see it, even our rivals unfortunately, I was just thinking about the way people interpret things... ie they are seeing the pattern of the team falling apart losing confidence and fight and coming to the conclusion that Pep is no better than Pellers(I remember the same "there's a lack of ideas/no fight/no plan B" comments back in the Mancini days too) rather than maybe we are missing something with the players. I don't know how well these sports psychologists work but something isn't right the way we react sometimes IMO it's worth a try.
 
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teddykgb said:
The fact that kazzydeyna is allowed to troll this persistently is not a good look for this board. That last post is a complete farce.

It's always a bad idea to read here after a loss but I can't fathom the things I read on here consistently about Pep.

We have had the same problems for 3 managers now and people want to bin the third manager. We need to recognize that the spine isn't what it used to be.


Edit: thankfully Neville seems interested in combating the stupidity because I am not
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Of the 3 of them gary easily talks the most sense.
 
CrownPointBlue said:
Pep picked the team most posters wanted,the one that won 5-0 with a brilliant back to front display at West Ham.

In the event he reverted to Claudio but the rest were our choice. They let us & him down & I guess he's as bewildered and sick as we are now.

Some of the performances & efforts were shameful wernt they Aguero,Sterling & Clichy.

1 step forad....2 steps back.....it's the Maine Road Mambo AGAIN.


I suggested Pickering on 2nd January & Joe Hart on 1st July.

Some of the playground gang on here had a much more enlightened view....Barcas No 2, a goal keeper who doesn't have to make saves. Quite a novelty even by their standards.
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Absolutely fuckin too right. Me too.
 
Neville Kneville said:
Some of our passing & movement first half today against a team full of defenders was as good as anything I've ever seen in the prem.

The problem came from Clichy lumping it followed by shite defending.
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Ahhhh so it was clichy's fault that this most incredible side, the best pass and move side the premiership (1993 onwards) has ever seen, were humiliated today. Gotcha...
 
mat said:
I've given him a chance but now I've as enough.

It's obvious our defence has no confidence in Bravo. You just knew when Everton got past them they'd score.

I've tried to give him the benefit of the doubt, today just did it for me.

He has no authority.

How can the team that looked so solid on Friday look so much different today?

It was the keeper.

I feel shit for saying as I don't like to slag off a blue.

Get Willy back and goal and see the difference.
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I'm with you mate. Whatever the reason, (I suspect his confidence is completely shot) he is not performing well enough to play in goal for us. Thought he could have done better for three of the four goals yesterday. Willy deserves to be first choice now.
 
chaddblue said:
Said that to my mate at the match. We pass it around for fun at the back with the opponents chasing shadows.. then 9 times out of 10 we give the ball away when it comes to Clichy.. nowhere near good enough to play this style
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Of all the teams I have seen win the league in my life, and I'm 36, I've never seen one do it by playing 47 passes in and around their own box before reaching the half way line. I'm not saying it can't be done, I just highly doubt it. Many many people were questioning whether these tactics would be successful in England prior to his arrival. Many of us put that down to jealousy from other clubs fans / media goons desperate for him to fail etc. However that school of thought is now looking quite astute.
 
MaineRoadBlue said:
And there lies the problem. Too many confuse playing football with winning at football. I'll grant anyone that if the title was decided by ponderous possession and successful passes then we'd have it won already. The reality is that it isn't. It's won by getting points by winning games and avoiding defeat.

Our methodology of play has none of those two basic principles as its core philosophy.

We are akin to that boxer who stands in front of his static and limited opponent and shuffle our feet with arms raised carrying out the most ridiculous shadow boxing moves only for our opponent to punch us once and we collapse.

In short Pep, you are kidding nobody. The club it seems have for 4 years been working in bringing us a man who has managed to take the club backwards. It's a disaster and frankly as I've said before, sometimes you just have to admit you made a complete wrong call and change things.

Kompany should be appointed manager, Hart needs to come back.
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Some people think successful football is passing the ball as many times as you can to each other before you lose it. That Dutch prick the rags had was of a similar mindset. I'm like you though, I prefer results over how many successful passes our goalkeeper can achieve.
 
The players downed tools on him yesterday, how does he address that??, drop all 11, which you could argue could be warranted, personally think the dressing room has gone but the players need to take a good look at themselves because that yesterday was embarrassing
 
Tom_mcfc said:
I don't think that's the point for people. They wasn't big errors but on the flip side if he saved any of them would you of gone wow what a world class save? His positioning is poor, he has no presence, doesn't even ever stretch when he's diving. He's a very poor goalkeeper and if you think otherwise you need your eyes testing.
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I wouldn't go as far as suggesting opticians mate. Some people truly believe that goalkeepers should be picked based on their pass completion stats. You can try and help educate these people but ultimately it's up to them. Times are a changing my friend, whoever would have thought it.
 
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