FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

[cheekybids]

so why haven't City won the champions league if that's the basis ?

I’ve told you numerous times but it’s like Groundhog Day, it’s not about the winning but the belief & going for it.

Get rid of your inferiority complex, your plucky under dog status & realise & go for it.

We will win it, when we haven’t won it we’ve done things like winning numerous other trophy’s.

If you genuinely believe that Southgate is the best there is & we can’t do any better at a national level despite all of my earlier explanations as to why I think he’s “ordinary” then I pity you.

The fact you’re not a City fan shows you don’t see what we see & the journey we’ve been on.

 

[Fernster]

It’s the most expensive squad in international football.

There is a lot of Bias in that statement.
English players cost a fortune in England but do they command as much abroad.
We don't sell enough players overseas to know what other countries value them.
Very few English players go abroad and could be construed that they don't value our players as much as we do.

 

[cheekybids]

There is a lot of Bias in that statement.
English players cost a fortune in England but do they command as much abroad.
We don't sell enough players overseas to know what other countries value them.
Very few English players go abroad and could be construed that they don't value our players as much as we do.

Possibly but it’s full of top professionals that play at the highest level.

My response was to someone saying you can’t buy the most expensive, as if City’s results have simply relied upon that. It’s mental that you hear that on here.

 

[Phil1]

so why haven't City won the champions league if that's the basis ?

Here he goes again. Just fuck off repeating yourself Mark. This and the VAR threads you’re exactly the same. Make identical posts time and time again. You’re like a fucking child coming out with “I know you are but what am I”
It seems you and others watched the France game and came away with the impression that they were brilliant and should have won. Many others think differently. You don’t have to make the same point a 100 times, we know what you took from the game. It boils down to expectations and yours are very low if you cherry pick stats to claim a team that kept possession in their own half or in and around the centre circle dominated a game. It’s just not that straight forward.

 

[Blue Elvis]

IMHO the best player on the pitch in the England v France game was Antoine Griezmann.
The English equivalent is Phil Foden , I think he is ready to play that role now but will Southgate ever see it ?

 

[supercity88]

I’ve told you numerous times but it’s like Groundhog Day, it’s not about the winning but the belief & going for it.

Get rid of your inferiority complex, your plucky under dog status & realise & go for it.

We will win it, when we haven’t won it we’ve done things like winning numerous other trophy’s.

If you genuinely believe that Southgate is the best there is & we can’t do any better at a national level despite all of my earlier explanations as to why I think he’s “ordinary” then I pity you.

The fact you’re not a City fan shows you don’t see what we see & the journey we’ve been on.

You've exposed the flaw in your argument though. International football is nothing like club football. What other trophies has Southgate got the option to win if he fails to win the prize we all want? It's the Euro's and the World Cup. Nothing else matters. They don't come along often and when they do there are other good sides going for them too. Southgate is far from the best manager out there, but there have been plenty of very good managers who have failed at International level and when it comes to England it doesn't seem to matter what pedigree you have, you'll fail. Scaloni has taken Argentina to the Copa America and now World Cup final with no pedigree at all. It's his first job! Meanwhile Luis Enrique and Hansi Flick who have excellent pedigree have failed to impress with their sides. Mancini won the Euro's then couldn't qualify for the World Cup.

There are much better managers than Southgate, but you don't know if they'll do any better because it's a completely different game to club management. You have to be confident in your system, confident in getting shat all over by the media for every decision you do or do not make, and able to create a team and squad that play for the shirt and each other and works successfully.

I want Southgate to go now, but I don't know who replaces him. I'd personally go foreign just because I think Potter and Howe are still too raw and unobtainable at the moment. I think times have moved on and English football is more aligned to things on the continent and foreign managers would easily understand our culture. Pochettino is available. But he doesn't have much pedigree when it comes to winning things. We can debate Southgate all day long, but what's the solution? Who comes in and does a better job?

 

[cheekybids]

You've exposed the flaw in your argument though. International football is nothing like club football. What other trophies has Southgate got the option to win if he fails to win the prize we all want? It's the Euro's and the World Cup. Nothing else matters. They don't come along often and when they do there are other good sides going for them too. Southgate is far from the best manager out there, but there have been plenty of very good managers who have failed at International level and when it comes to England it doesn't seem to matter what pedigree you have, you'll fail. Scaloni has taken Argentina to the Copa America and now World Cup final with no pedigree at all. It's his first job! Meanwhile Luis Enrique and Hansi Flick who have excellent pedigree have failed to impress with their sides. Mancini won the Euro's then couldn't qualify for the World Cup.

There are much better managers than Southgate, but you don't know if they'll do any better because it's a completely different game to club management. You have to be confident in your system, confident in getting shat all over by the media for every decision you do or do not make, and able to create a team and squad that play for the shirt and each other and works successfully.

I want Southgate to go now, but I don't know who replaces him. I'd personally go foreign just because I think Potter and Howe are still too raw and unobtainable at the moment. I think times have moved on and English football is more aligned to things on the continent and foreign managers would easily understand our culture. Pochettino is available. But he doesn't have much pedigree when it comes to winning things. We can debate Southgate all day long, but what's the solution? Who comes in and does a better job?

There’s no flaw in my argument.

I only responded to a stupid question of why hasn’t Pep won the champs league.

Morocco didn’t win the World Cup but they got every ounce out of their squad, that’s a coaches job.

Now & I’ll probably be shocked by your response considering some of the shite you’ve come out with but here goes…..

Do you think Southgate got every ounce out of his squad?

 

[cheekybids]

IMHO the best player on the pitch in the England v France game was Antoine Griezmann.
The English equivalent is Phil Foden , I think he is ready to play that role now but will Southgate ever see it ?

And many of us predicted it before the game & mentioned Rice struggling to take the ball from defence as being the area he’ll expose.

 

[BlueHammer85]

I’ve told you numerous times but it’s like Groundhog Day, it’s not about the winning but the belief & going for it.

I genuinely believe we had the 'belief' and 'went for it' every game this tournament, France match especially. But like Morocco last night , we lost. that's life.

 

[Gazza]

so why haven't City won the champions league if that's the basis ?

Three things are required, good players, good manager and good luck.
England have the players and have had the good luck to avoid the better teams (especially in Southgate's earlier tournaments) but not a good manager.

No, let's keep Southgate and wait until everyone's sick to do death of being the plucky losers that go out in the quarter finals every competition before we change.