FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

[BlueHammer85]

play football that's exciting and good to watch.

what countries have played really exciting to watch football consistently this tournament ?

 

[Kinkybyname]

what countries have played really exciting to watch football consistently this tournament ?

what's that got to do with the price of fish? Are you saying we should settle for being served up dull, safety-first (that's a laugh) football and continue to fail without trying a different approach. Put Bielsa in charge... at least we might have the odd grenade incident to talk about.

 

[KS55]

He was appointed as an interim because his predecessor was caught out in a corruption scandal and got the job after positive results. Nothing strange at all.

How far do you think fat sam would have taken England? The FA stumbled on a successful appointment after making a dreadful one and luck conspiring to get rid of him.

As an aside, there was NO corruption scandal. Fat Sam did NOT break any rules. The FA sacked him on the basis of click baiting newspaper articles.

 

[Gray]

We should keep Southgate, International football is not a priority for me.

 

[Stephen230]

And BFS has the best...

True, but there’s normally a qualifying rule applied to these things that involves slightly more than one game.

 

[BlueHammer85]

what's that got to do with the price of fish? Are you saying we should settle for being served up dull, safety-first (that's a laugh) football and continue to fail without trying a different approach. Put Bielsa in charge... at least we might have the odd grenade incident to talk about.

nope, making the point that no countries play exciting attacking football consistently, it's much harder for players to play this way as they are not with their usual team mates.
International is often dull and bit safe regardless of whatever Manager.
I'd say England was one of the best to watch sides this WC

 

[KS55]

Why would either give up well-paying jobs working with good players every day of the week for what is effectively a part-time job? Howe might consider it if he gets homesick again, but club football is the pinnacle in England, not the international team.
And I know I'm biased but seeing so little of Jack for England concerns me. He may not be worth £100 Million, but when the most successful team in the country over the past ten seasons pays that kind of money (and it's supported by the best manager) then Southgate should be giving him a chance, - Jack on the left, Phil in the middle and Henderson (or Rice) out.

Or both out…Phillips is a better player than either. Tbf, Southgate was picking him regularly till the injury.

 

[KS55]

nope, making the point that no countries play exciting attacking football consistently, it's much harder for players to play this way as they are not with their usual team mates.
International is often dull and bit safe regardless of whatever Manager.
I'd say England was one of the best to watch sides this WC

Brazil played exciting attacking football for over 60 years and won the damn thing 5 times. Ok below par at the mo but they showed us all how to do it.

 

[supercity88]

what's that got to do with the price of fish? Are you saying we should settle for being served up dull, safety-first (that's a laugh) football and continue to fail without trying a different approach. Put Bielsa in charge... at least we might have the odd grenade incident to talk about.

England were probably the most exciting side in this World Cup. The game with the French was finally a game worthy of the WC. The preceding three QFs were horrific. Southgate went toe-to-toe with the French, we outplayed them and we were very unlucky not to go through. That happens. I personally think it's time for a change just to take the basics of what he's done in building the team spirit and unity and then taking it further in terms of a consistent style and approach to playing. But I don't know who the replacement is. Eddie Howe or Brendan Rodgers are probably the best options but I'm not sure either would take the job right now.

You need someone coming in and using the Euro's to build to the next WC. There are only a few players who will miss the next WC from this squad so ideally you'd want the same group of people and management involved but I'm not sure if Southgate mentally can go through it all again. It's a graveyard for managers that job. Regardless of what you do, unless you win a trophy you're shite. The fact Southgate is still getting stick for his approach despite us scoring a shit load of goals and attacking the French when he could have played a back 5, shows that you just can't win.

 

[hcblue95]

He's been good for england. We've beat the shit teams that you'd expect to beat and lost to the harder teams. Most England managers haven't managed this in recent times. It's time for him to go though because we can't have a championship manager in charge of potentially the best international group of players in the world.
Pochettino or Southgate surely only one winner there?

 

[Kinkybyname]

Brazil played exciting attacking football for over 60 years and won the damn thing 5 times. Ok below par at the mo but they showed us all how to do it.

stop talking sense!

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

As an aside, there was NO corruption scandal. Fat Sam did NOT break any rules. The FA sacked him on the basis of click baiting newspaper articles.

And deservedly so. They might as well have dug up Charles Reep, as that's the type of football that fat dinosaur would have played.

 

[BlueHammer85]

Brazil played exciting attacking football for over 60 years and won the damn thing 5 times. Ok below par at the mo but they showed us all how to do it.

Brazil for sure and the exception to the rule also mainly down to individual showboaters rather than the team

but in recent years and when they come up against a dogged side like Croatia this WC - what did they have to offer ? nothing.

last WC they didn't do much and got knocked out by Belgium

WC before that nothing memorable and lost 7-1 to Germany to get knocked out

If we had the same style and performances as Brazil in the last 3 WC, the criticism would pretty much be the same

 

[Brightwell Bros.]

England were probably the most exciting side in this World Cup. The game with the French was finally a game worthy of the WC. The preceding three QFs were horrific. Southgate went toe-to-toe with the French, we outplayed them and we were very unlucky not to go through. That happens. I personally think it's time for a change just to take the basics of what he's done in building the team spirit and unity and then taking it further in terms of a consistent style and approach to playing. But I don't know who the replacement is. Eddie Howe or Brendan Rodgers are probably the best options but I'm not sure either would take the job right now.

You need someone coming in and using the Euro's to build to the next WC. There are only a few players who will miss the next WC from this squad so ideally you'd want the same group of people and management involved but I'm not sure if Southgate mentally can go through it all again. It's a graveyard for managers that job. Regardless of what you do, unless you win a trophy you're shite. The fact Southgate is still getting stick for his approach despite us scoring a shit load of goals and attacking the French when he could have played a back 5, shows that you just can't win.

Agreed. I can see the argument for and against him staying, but I think some of the stick he is getting here and in the wider culture is so unfair. We played the current world champions, a better team with the best player in the world, and were a missed penalty away from who knows what. He'll always have my respect, and he's a victim of his own success if everyone thinks the England job is just about waltzing in, playing some attacking football, and winning it all.

 

[supercity88]

Agreed. I can see the argument for and against him staying, but I think some of the stick he is getting here and in the wider culture is so unfair. We played the current world champions, a better team with the best player in the world, and were a missed penalty away from who knows what. He'll always have my respect, and he's a victim of his own success if everyone things the England job is just about waltzing in, playing some attacking football, and winning it all.

And he brought Mount on who then went and won that pen. A positive change. We score it, he's a genius. Instead no one will talk about that, they'll just criticise other choices. Grealish could have played and given us a bit more control but it would have been for Foden on the left and not by pushing Foden in the no10 role. Foden drifted into that space once or twice and he lost the ball and we were countered when he did. We all think he's a natural 10 but he doesn't play there for City, he just isn't ready for it yet. Foden wants to make things happen, his first thought is to attack and that's not always what you do in that role.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Poch is available.

Does he have a winning mentality?

 

[Grassland Blue]

England were probably the most exciting side in this World Cup. The game with the French was finally a game worthy of the WC. The preceding three QFs were horrific. Southgate went toe-to-toe with the French, we outplayed them and we were very unlucky not to go through. That happens. I personally think it's time for a change just to take the basics of what he's done in building the team spirit and unity and then taking it further in terms of a consistent style and approach to playing. But I don't know who the replacement is. Eddie Howe or Brendan Rodgers are probably the best options but I'm not sure either would take the job right now.

You need someone coming in and using the Euro's to build to the next WC. There are only a few players who will miss the next WC from this squad so ideally you'd want the same group of people and management involved but I'm not sure if Southgate mentally can go through it all again. It's a graveyard for managers that job. Regardless of what you do, unless you win a trophy you're shite. The fact Southgate is still getting stick for his approach despite us scoring a shit load of goals and attacking the French when he could have played a back 5, shows that you just can't win.

Rodgers would probably be just as cautious.

 

[bluenova]

Brazil played exciting attacking football for over 60 years and won the damn thing 5 times. Ok below par at the mo but they showed us all how to do it.

Brazil were dull as hell in 1994, so that's 1 win in 52 years with anything like an attacking team.

Times have also changed - fitness levels, advances in coaching, and movement of players across the world has evened out a lot of international football. Brazil are still successful as football is such a big part of the culture and their population is huge, but they're not head and shoulders above anymore.

It's also a little unfair on England at this tournament - we were the highest scorers, had more possession that anyone but Spain, and better passing accuracy than everyone but Spain and Brazil. How many times could that be said about an English side?

 

[Grassland Blue]

And deservedly so. They might as well have dug up Charles Reep, as that's the type of football that fat dinosaur would have played.

A man who signed J J Okocha and Djorkaeff whilst at Bolton...

 

[SamBlue]

Brazil were dull as hell in 1994, so that's 1 win in 52 years with anything like an attacking team.

Times have also changed - fitness levels, advances in coaching, and movement of players across the world has evened out a lot of international football. Brazil are still successful as football is such a big part of the culture and their population is huge, but they're not head and shoulders above anymore.

It's also a little unfair on England at this tournament - we were the highest scorers, had more possession that anyone but Spain, and better passing accuracy than everyone but Spain and Brazil. How many times could that be said about an English side?

And no sooner had we played the team with a serious MF (Ok, I still don't get Rabiot, bu he obviously functions!) and a freewheeling No 8 (who is not even No 8) than we hit the wall.
If we can press the opposition into a quick turnover or overpower them on the wings, we win. But when there is necessity to continuously apply pressure in the MF and build it from there, we just fail. We are actually totally opposite to Spain, they wrestle control from everybody, but they cannot score.
Southgate either hates playing MF or he doesn't have clue how.