FA confirm Southgate will stay on until after Euro 2024 (p 101)

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Kinkybyname said:
I'm not hunting them down for you, I've seen them and so have you if you have been following - various posters have cited that final, semi final and third-place in the NL to pad out his list of achievements - all of which were losses
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Use the search function maybe. It's your claim and the onus is on you to evidence it, not anyone else.
 
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I don’t know why some people are against having a foreign manager again

Maybe in the past it didn’t work so well, but most of those players were probably the last generation that come through English football as kids where foreign managers were hardly in the English game.

There’s a lot of foreign managers in England now, and a lot of the new generation have come through academies and youth teams and breaking into the squad where foreign managers are implementing their culture onto the club and it filters down

I think the new players would be much more at home with a foreign manager than the 2000’s “golden generation” lot.

If there is nobody available who is English and considered a top coach then I don’t see why we shouldn’t be looking abroad again. the excuse will be it didn’t work in the past but football has changed.

Quite a lot of them have barely played under a British manager at club level anyway.
 
Crooked_rain said:
I don’t know why some people are against having a foreign manager again

Maybe in the past it didn’t work so well, but most of those players were probably the last generation that come through English football as kids where foreign managers were hardly in the English game.

There’s a lot of foreign managers in England now, and a lot of the new generation have come through academies and youth teams and breaking into the squad where foreign managers are implementing their culture onto the club and it filters down

I think the new players would be much more at home with a foreign manager than the 2000’s “golden generation” lot.

If there is nobody available who is English and considered a top coach then I don’t see why we shouldn’t be looking abroad again. the excuse will be it didn’t work in the past but football has changed.

Quite a lot of them have barely played under a British manager at club level anyway.
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England isn't blessed with managerial quality at the top of the game at the moment.

Other than Howe (who I'd have gambled on before he took over at Newcastle) and Potter, there is nobody else, so we'd have to look at a foreign manager. Preferably one that has managed in the Premier League and has either managed a side in European Competition or managed on the continent. That leaves a small list of candidates.

Ancelotti would be my preference but we're highly unlikely to get him and I think his Real contract is until 2024. However they are known to sack managers on a whim so could be available next summer (if he doesn't fancy retirement).

Pochettino should also be near the top of the list. After him you're into the controversial figures of Mourinho and Rafa, both of whom I think would suit International management, but I can't imagine the FA going anywhere near them however I'd take either over Southgate.
 
ROCKET80 said:
I get what you mean about the CV, but there is a lot of context around both that is missing.

The best international managers adapt their philosophy to meet the talents of the players available to them. I'd argue that Southgate has one of the best talent pools to choose from to deliver his philosophy. The issue we have is that nobody knows what his philosophy is.

We haven't been embarrassed in tournaments, but we've been assisted with very kind draws, beating teams we've been expected to beat and losing against the first half-decent team we face.

My issue with Southgate has always been that he has no tactical nous and he can't make decisions that change a game, and between evenly matched teams at international level that makes the difference. The game against the USA was proof, if any further evidence was required, about his limitations.

To your last point Pep doesn't need to integrate Foden or Grealish into midfield as we have KDB, Bernardo and Gundogan there.

I'd compare wanting to play Foden in the middle/10 role to that of France, and Deschamps seeing a lack of creativity in the middle of the park and tasking Griezmann to take on that responsibility.

If you watch the game back, at around 40mins Foden moves centrally and France shit themselves, a couple of minutes later he drops deep and you can see the panic in Giroud not knowing whether to pick him up or not.
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Excellent post mate. Sums it to perfection.
 
Crooked_rain said:
I don’t know why some people are against having a foreign manager again

Maybe in the past it didn’t work so well, but most of those players were probably the last generation that come through English football as kids where foreign managers were hardly in the English game.

There’s a lot of foreign managers in England now, and a lot of the new generation have come through academies and youth teams and breaking into the squad where foreign managers are implementing their culture onto the club and it filters down

I think the new players would be much more at home with a foreign manager than the 2000’s “golden generation” lot.

If there is nobody available who is English and considered a top coach then I don’t see why we shouldn’t be looking abroad again. the excuse will be it didn’t work in the past but football has changed.

Quite a lot of them have barely played under a British manager at club level anyway.
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My excuse isn’t that it didn’t work in the past. That would be a ridiculous reason not to try it again in fact. My excuse is as that I want the English team managed by an English person. You might think I’m taking the piss but I would honestly prefer Steve Bruce to Pep Guardiola for England manager.
 
Stephen230 said:
My excuse isn’t that it didn’t work in the past. That would be a ridiculous reason not to try it again in fact. My excuse is as that I want the English team managed by an English person. You might think I’m taking the piss but I would honestly prefer Steve Bruce to Pep Guardiola for England manager.
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LOL
 
BlueHammer85 said:
nope, making the point that no countries play exciting attacking football consistently, it's much harder for players to play this way as they are not with their usual team mates.
International is often dull and bit safe regardless of whatever Manager.
I'd say England was one of the best to watch sides this WC
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Do you not think it’s down to international manager jobs no longer appealing to the top coaches?

I looked at England, Brazil, Portugal & Belgium all held back by the coaches.
 
Stephen230 said:
My excuse isn’t that it didn’t work in the past. That would be a ridiculous reason not to try it again in fact. My excuse is as that I want the English team managed by an English person. You might think I’m taking the piss but I would honestly prefer Steve Bruce to Pep Guardiola for England manager.
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Your view would indicate that you would like an English manager in charge of us and a team full of Manchester born players.
That doesn't work .
At international level it is nice to have a team managed by a person from that country but Steve Bruce manager of England!!
 
I always think about how Khaldoon was with Hughes when he was telling him he expected success.
What do you need? Facilities need improving, straight away improvements in facilities & long term plans put in place.
What else? Nothing, what about coaches? I’m happy with my coaches, are you sure? Yes, my team are as good as any.

No excuses then.

The problem was Hughes was clearly happy & didn’t really believe that City could be what they are now. He was comparing how they were doing better than previously & that’s the same as England.

Southgate has improved the results but it’s still below par for the investment in English football. The England squad has the most valuable squad in world football, we have every type of player & yet we are held back by the coaching.

I’ve never cared about the England job, team or got giddy about England’s chances cos I’ve never believed they are good enough. It’s ok to be pragmatic when your talent pool is low but this group of players desperately deserve a real coach.

That doesn’t mean he should be judged on winning the tournament but the handbrake should be off. The USA game did it for me, after all these years he still didn’t trust his ability or his squad.
 
Xhavenjoe said:
Your view would indicate that you would like an English manager in charge of us and a team full of Manchester born players.
That doesn't work .
At international level it is nice to have a team managed by a person from that country but Steve Bruce manager of England!!
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In an unobtainable ideal scenario, yes it would be lovely if we had a successful City team made up of local lads. It did famously work for Celtic of course. But times have changed since then. A local football club representing a local area doesn’t necessarily lose its identity because the players weren’t born in the area.

But the whole idea of international football is countries competing against each other. You can’t pick and choose players from different countries because yours aren’t good enough. Although it sometimes seems like that with the grandparents rule. I personally don’t see why it should be any different for the managers. Of course I don’t actually want Steve Bruce as England manager. But the principle remains, that I’d rather have any Englishman than the very best non Englishman as manager for England.
 
You'd be fools. Best performances in a generation, just outplayed the world champions and got fucked by a combination of bad luck and a shit referee.
Go for it.
 
Stephen230 said:
In an unobtainable ideal scenario, yes it would be lovely if we had a successful City team made up of local lads. It did famously work for Celtic of course. But times have changed since then. A local football club representing a local area doesn’t necessarily lose its identity because the players weren’t born in the area.

But the whole idea of international football is countries competing against each other. You can’t pick and choose players from different countries because yours aren’t good enough. Although it sometimes seems like that with the grandparents rule. I personally don’t see why it should be any different for the managers. Of course I don’t actually want Steve Bruce as England manager. But the principle remains, that I’d rather have any Englishman than the very best non Englishman as manager for England.
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What about a team the majority of which grew up as City fans either from the local area or outside? That would be an improvement from the "attachment" point of view and could be possible with our success of the last decade?

As far as a new manager is concerned, what about Brendan Rodgers? I know he has a bad rep on here but he is experienced, is (relatively) forward thinking, has done his club management, is British at least, and may actually be interested in the job if it was offered. After all, he was once considered for the job at City ..... apparently. And he has nice teeth.
 
Stephen230 said:
My excuse isn’t that it didn’t work in the past. That would be a ridiculous reason not to try it again in fact. My excuse is as that I want the English team managed by an English person. You might think I’m taking the piss but I would honestly prefer Steve Bruce to Pep Guardiola for England manager.
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You’re very weird
 
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