Fernandinho

[LHarper]

Who would you rather have attacking Yaya with Fernandinho covering or Fernandinho with Yaya covering? I know which I would chose. I accept he his a good dribbler but like I said previously we don't need him to attack we're more than covered in that department, I wouldn't at all be upset if he was used in a similar role to how Busquets is for Barca.

So you don't need Fernandinho to attack because we are covered in that department but you would have Yaya attack? What's the difference?

I don't think we'll see one exclusively hold and one attack but rather a balance between the two once they get used to playing together.

In my opinion, Fernandinho will be a lot better at the pressing game than Yaya, who would more likely sweep behind the front 5.

I disagree completely, I wasn't saying neither of them should attack I was responding to the claim that he was signed because he's such a good dribbler, of course you expect attacking input from midfield and that should come from Yaya IMO. Did Yaya and Barry alternate? Not really and look at our defensive record as a whole over the last few years.

We will be wide open without having a genuine DM playing, in the holding role like Barry. If we deploy both as box to box style midfielders, I genuinely worry about Yaya covering/getting back and with Fernandinho playing a more attacking game as you suggest. I really think we would struggle.

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

So you don't need Fernandinho to attack because we are covered in that department but you would have Yaya attack? What's the difference?

I don't think we'll see one exclusively hold and one attack but rather a balance between the two once they get used to playing together.

In my opinion, Fernandinho will be a lot better at the pressing game than Yaya, who would more likely sweep behind the front 5.

I disagree completely, I wasn't saying neither of them should attack I was responding to the claim that he was signed because he's such a good dribbler, of course you expect attacking input from midfield and that should come from Yaya IMO. Did Yaya and Barry alternate? Not really and look at our defensive record as a whole over the last few years.

We will be wide open without having a genuine DM playing, in the holding role like Barry. If we deploy both as box to box style midfielders, I genuinely worry about Yaya covering/getting back and with Fernandinho playing a more attacking game as you suggest. I really think we would struggle.

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

 

[toffee balls]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

I actually thought he played quite well, I just don't see any opportunity for him in our midfield. If you take Yaya and Fernandinho as the two main men as many on here are, he would still have Barry and Rodwell to compete with and that's just for a place on the bench.

 

[LHarper]

I disagree completely, I wasn't saying neither of them should attack I was responding to the claim that he was signed because he's such a good dribbler, of course you expect attacking input from midfield and that should come from Yaya IMO. Did Yaya and Barry alternate? Not really and look at our defensive record as a whole over the last few years.

We will be wide open without having a genuine DM playing, in the holding role like Barry. If we deploy both as box to box style midfielders, I genuinely worry about Yaya covering/getting back and with Fernandinho playing a more attacking game as you suggest. I really think we would struggle.

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

You make valid points, and it will be interesting to see what Pellegrini decides is best.

Maybe we'll see different roles depending on the opposition - in the Champions League, a player like Fernandinho is what we've lacked. Energetic and robustness in central midfield and I believe he will be more box-to-box, pressing high in those games, with Yaya playing deeper.

Rodwell will be pushing them both hard for a place in the side though this season if he can stay fit.

 

[dan.j.mcfc]

I believe he was signed as a box-to-box midfielder who could either sit deep and play like a 'regista' or further forward if needed.

Barry and Fernandinho are quite different so that is why Yaya was the main attacker in that duo. With Fernandinho beside him I think Yaya will be much more defensive than previously and will be the 'regista' in most games.

Yaya can be really lazy with tracking back and covering after joining in the attack in the final third so I would prefer him to be given that holding role next season.

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

You make valid points, and it will be interesting to see what Pellegrini decides is best.

Maybe we'll see different roles depending on the opposition - in the Champions League, a player like Fernandinho is what we've lacked. Energetic and robustness in central midfield and I believe he will be more box-to-box, pressing high in those games, with Yaya playing deeper.

Rodwell will be pushing them both hard for a place in the side though this season if he can stay fit.

I seriously hope you're right about Rodwell, if he can stay fit enough and continue his end of season form then he will be really useful in the squad. I actually agree regarding the CL this season, I think we lacked the mobility of a player like Fernandinho last season, it would be interesting to see how we do with a more energetic and high pressing game and I actually would prefer Yaya sat deeper in Xabi Alonso role, more of a deep lying playmaker, it would give the opposition all kinds of headaches as to whether push high and press us on the ball or let us dictate the play (two contrasting styles of play from the same midfield). I'm sure Manuel has a better idea about these things than we do though haha.

 

[lunebleu]

I think Rodwell is a better player than this guy-----but there remains the inevitable 'If'

 

[LHarper]

I hope you're right in the sense that they actually could switch roles between them, but I just don't think they could TBH. I also wound't want to see Yaya's attacking influence suffer at the expense of him becoming more defensive in a role that I believe Fernandinho is better at. For me it has to be Fernandinho doing the defensive side of things and while I agree he is very capable going forward, I don't think he possesses the artillery of Yaya. Just looking over the last few years Yaya has scored twice as many goals as Fernandinho, he also is a game changer against any opposition. Newcastle away in the title winning season as an example and against Madrid in the Bernabeu, with the run that lead to Dzeko's goal.

Yaya wouldn't do the "dirty" work that Fernandinho would and Fernandinho couldn't do the game changing offensive stuff on the same level Yaya could. Fernandinho if he is to be replacing Barry in the team, quite simply HAS to be the more defensive of the two.

You make valid points, and it will be interesting to see what Pellegrini decides is best.

Maybe we'll see different roles depending on the opposition - in the Champions League, a player like Fernandinho is what we've lacked. Energetic and robustness in central midfield and I believe he will be more box-to-box, pressing high in those games, with Yaya playing deeper.

Rodwell will be pushing them both hard for a place in the side though this season if he can stay fit.

I seriously hope you're right about Rodwell, if he can stay fit enough and continue his end of season form then he will be really useful in the squad. I actually agree regarding the CL this season, I think we lacked the mobility of a player like Fernandinho last season, it would be interesting to see how we do with a more energetic and high pressing game and I actually would prefer Yaya sat deeper in Xabi Alonso role, more of a deep lying playmaker, it would give the opposition all kinds of headaches as to whether push high and press us on the ball or let us dictate the play (two contrasting styles of play from the same midfield). I'm sure Manuel has a better idea about these things than we do though haha.

I really like Rodwell and hope he can stay fit for a long period of time.

With Malaga, Pellegrini did really well keeping defensive discipline while allowing his teams to play attractive attacking football. Ignacio Camacho became a linchpin in his midfield as a defensive holding player and perhaps he has the role in mind for Yaya?

I think we'll see a very flexible approach to his formations in the Champions League - lots of creativity but without being detrimental to the defence.

 

[Vienna_70]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

I actually thought he played quite well, I just don't see any opportunity for him in our midfield. If you take Yaya and Fernandinho as the two main men as many on here are, he would still have Barry and Rodwell to compete with and that's just for a place on the bench.

IMHO, in our Champions' Leaguebgames, we were overrun in midfield, when we only played two in there.

So, with that in mind, I think a midfield three of YaYa, Fernandinho, and either Rodwell or Milner will give us the energy, drive and solidity needed to succeed in the competition.

That leaves Manny with the nice headache of which three to play up front. I would always play Sergio. But who with him?

So many players, and so many combinations. I can't wait.

 

[bluethunder]

If Garcia can keep improving at the rate he is at the moment , they can both push on.

He was excellent on Saturday.

I actually thought he played quite well, I just don't see any opportunity for him in our midfield. If you take Yaya and Fernandinho as the two main men as many on here are, he would still have Barry and Rodwell to compete with and that's just for a place on the bench.

IMHO, in our Champions' Leaguebgames, we were overrun in midfield, when we only played two in there.

So, with that in mind, I think a midfield three of YaYa, Fernandinho, and either Rodwell or Milner will give us the energy, drive and solidity needed to succeed in the competition.

That leaves Manny with the nice headache of which three to play up front. I would always play Sergio. But who with him?

So many players, and so many combinations. I can't wait.

garcia and barry failed to perform at the santiogo bernabue. yaya was playing further up the pitch. the team lacked an engine in midfield, we had no counter attack capability until dzeko came on.

dortmund like to press high up the pitch, last season we were allergic to teams who press high, think sunderland, stoke, everton. hopefully pellegrini will know how to deal with teams who press high.

we should've done better against ajax.

 

[Silva Service]

Here's someone who thinks Fenandinho is the answer to all our problems:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.o-posts.net/news/teams/uk/manchester-city/fernandinho-key-signing-manchester-city/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+O-posts-news+%28O-Posts+-+Football+News%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.o-posts.net/news/teams/uk/ma ... ll+News%29</a>

Could this be why were prepared to pay £30m for him.

 

[NoahCity]

I actually thought he played quite well, I just don't see any opportunity for him in our midfield. If you take Yaya and Fernandinho as the two main men as many on here are, he would still have Barry and Rodwell to compete with and that's just for a place on the bench.

IMHO, in our Champions' Leaguebgames, we were overrun in midfield, when we only played two in there.

So, with that in mind, I think a midfield three of YaYa, Fernandinho, and either Rodwell or Milner will give us the energy, drive and solidity needed to succeed in the competition.

That leaves Manny with the nice headache of which three to play up front. I would always play Sergio. But who with him?

So many players, and so many combinations. I can't wait.

garcia and barry failed to perform at the santiogo bernabue. yaya was playing further up the pitch. the team lacked an engine in midfield, we had no counter attack capability until dzeko came on.

dortmund like to press high up the pitch, last season we were allergic to teams who press high, think sunderland, stoke, everton. hopefully pellegrini will know how to deal with teams who press high.

we should've done better against ajax.

Sunderland and Stoke don't press high, they just park the bus.

 

[NoahCity]

Here's someone who thinks Fenandinho is the answer to all our problems:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.o-posts.net/news/teams/uk/manchester-city/fernandinho-key-signing-manchester-city/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+O-posts-news+%28O-Posts+-+Football+News%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.o-posts.net/news/teams/uk/ma ... ll+News%29</a>

Could this be why were prepared to pay £30m for him.

Really interesting stats showing him to be better than many other mids around Europe.

 

[bluethunder]

IMHO, in our Champions' Leaguebgames, we were overrun in midfield, when we only played two in there.

So, with that in mind, I think a midfield three of YaYa, Fernandinho, and either Rodwell or Milner will give us the energy, drive and solidity needed to succeed in the competition.

That leaves Manny with the nice headache of which three to play up front. I would always play Sergio. But who with him?

So many players, and so many combinations. I can't wait.

garcia and barry failed to perform at the santiogo bernabue. yaya was playing further up the pitch. the team lacked an engine in midfield, we had no counter attack capability until dzeko came on.

dortmund like to press high up the pitch, last season we were allergic to teams who press high, think sunderland, stoke, everton. hopefully pellegrini will know how to deal with teams who press high.

we should've done better against ajax.

Sunderland and Stoke don't press high, they just park the bus.

stoke don't press high ? please watch the first 19 seconds of this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Qar4G5xJw[/youtube]

 

[jackinho]

Barry is better

no

 

[NoahCity]

garcia and barry failed to perform at the santiogo bernabue. yaya was playing further up the pitch. the team lacked an engine in midfield, we had no counter attack capability until dzeko came on.

dortmund like to press high up the pitch, last season we were allergic to teams who press high, think sunderland, stoke, everton. hopefully pellegrini will know how to deal with teams who press high.

we should've done better against ajax.

Sunderland and Stoke don't press high, they just park the bus.

stoke don't press high ? please watch the first 15 seconds of this:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r4Qar4G5xJw[/youtube]

dude, that's just one bit, I remember games at Stoke very well and it is a lot of us having the ball. This is just spur of the moment stuff, not organized team tactics, remember game on new years?!

 

[MojoRisin]

Fernandinho delighted with Goal 50 recognition

The Brazilian made our list of the best players in the world thanks to his performances with Shakhtar Donetsk last season and he aims to build on that with Manchester City

EXCLUSIVE
By Sam Lee

Manchester City midfielder Fernandinho has expressed his delight at being included in the Goal 50 and hopes to move up the list by making an impact at the Etihad Stadium.

The Brazil international earned a place in our list thanks to his performances for Shakhtar Donetsk last season, where he won the Ukrainian league title and reached the knockout stages of the Champions League, turning in two great performances against Chelsea along the way.

Having sealed a £35 million transfer to the Premier League runners-up in June, Fernandinho is now looking to build on those impressive performances.

"I am happy to be thought of like this, as one of the world's best 50 players, and I say thank you to those who think of me in this way," he told Goal.

"Last season was a memorable one for me and I was really happy with my performances. I'm looking forward to this coming season - hopefully things will get even better for me."

The 28-year-old sealed a 2-1 victory against Chelsea in last season's Champions League, which he feels was one of the high points of his campaign.

"There were many highlights last season," he enthused. "We had some great performances in the Champions League and also had domestic success in Ukraine. Scoring the goal against Chelsea in the Champions League was special."

Fernandinho joins compatriots Neymar, Dante, Fred, Thiago Silva and Paulinho on the list and he believes that Brazil's Goal 50 representatives have a great chance of winning next year's World Cup.

"Brazil always has great players and this squad is no different. I'm delighted to be involved and we'll see what happens for next summer," he continued.

"We obviously think we will have a good chance, especially in front of our own supporters. It's going to be such a special time and we will be aiming to win!"

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3310/goal-50/2013/07/30/4146871/fernandinho-delighted-with-goal-50-recognition?ICID=HP_TS_1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3310/goa ... ID=HP_TS_1</a>

 

[MadchesterCity]

Here's someone who thinks Fenandinho is the answer to all our problems:

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.o-posts.net/news/teams/uk/manchester-city/fernandinho-key-signing-manchester-city/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+O-posts-news+%28O-Posts+-+Football+News%29" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.o-posts.net/news/teams/uk/ma ... ll+News%29</a>

Could this be why were prepared to pay £30m for him.

Really interesting stats showing him to be better than many other mids around Europe.

Interesting stats but note these are only from Champios league performance.

He was amazing against Chelsea

 

[bluethunder]

Fernandinho delighted with Goal 50 recognition

The Brazilian made our list of the best players in the world thanks to his performances with Shakhtar Donetsk last season and he aims to build on that with Manchester City

EXCLUSIVE
By Sam Lee

Manchester City midfielder Fernandinho has expressed his delight at being included in the Goal 50 and hopes to move up the list by making an impact at the Etihad Stadium.

The Brazil international earned a place in our list thanks to his performances for Shakhtar Donetsk last season, where he won the Ukrainian league title and reached the knockout stages of the Champions League, turning in two great performances against Chelsea along the way.

Having sealed a £35 million transfer to the Premier League runners-up in June, Fernandinho is now looking to build on those impressive performances.

"I am happy to be thought of like this, as one of the world's best 50 players, and I say thank you to those who think of me in this way," he told Goal.

"Last season was a memorable one for me and I was really happy with my performances. I'm looking forward to this coming season - hopefully things will get even better for me."

The 28-year-old sealed a 2-1 victory against Chelsea in last season's Champions League, which he feels was one of the high points of his campaign.

"There were many highlights last season," he enthused. "We had some great performances in the Champions League and also had domestic success in Ukraine. Scoring the goal against Chelsea in the Champions League was special."

Fernandinho joins compatriots Neymar, Dante, Fred, Thiago Silva and Paulinho on the list and he believes that Brazil's Goal 50 representatives have a great chance of winning next year's World Cup.

"Brazil always has great players and this squad is no different. I'm delighted to be involved and we'll see what happens for next summer," he continued.

"We obviously think we will have a good chance, especially in front of our own supporters. It's going to be such a special time and we will be aiming to win!"

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3310/goal-50/2013/07/30/4146871/fernandinho-delighted-with-goal-50-recognition?ICID=HP_TS_1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3310/goa ... ID=HP_TS_1</a>

that list is a joke though. aguero, silva, toure, nastasic, kompany don't make it, but robbie keane does, lol.

 

[KingVinnie]

Fernandinho delighted with Goal 50 recognition

The Brazilian made our list of the best players in the world thanks to his performances with Shakhtar Donetsk last season and he aims to build on that with Manchester City

EXCLUSIVE
By Sam Lee

Manchester City midfielder Fernandinho has expressed his delight at being included in the Goal 50 and hopes to move up the list by making an impact at the Etihad Stadium.

The Brazil international earned a place in our list thanks to his performances for Shakhtar Donetsk last season, where he won the Ukrainian league title and reached the knockout stages of the Champions League, turning in two great performances against Chelsea along the way.

Having sealed a £35 million transfer to the Premier League runners-up in June, Fernandinho is now looking to build on those impressive performances.

"I am happy to be thought of like this, as one of the world's best 50 players, and I say thank you to those who think of me in this way," he told Goal.

"Last season was a memorable one for me and I was really happy with my performances. I'm looking forward to this coming season - hopefully things will get even better for me."

The 28-year-old sealed a 2-1 victory against Chelsea in last season's Champions League, which he feels was one of the high points of his campaign.

"There were many highlights last season," he enthused. "We had some great performances in the Champions League and also had domestic success in Ukraine. Scoring the goal against Chelsea in the Champions League was special."

Fernandinho joins compatriots Neymar, Dante, Fred, Thiago Silva and Paulinho on the list and he believes that Brazil's Goal 50 representatives have a great chance of winning next year's World Cup.

"Brazil always has great players and this squad is no different. I'm delighted to be involved and we'll see what happens for next summer," he continued.

"We obviously think we will have a good chance, especially in front of our own supporters. It's going to be such a special time and we will be aiming to win!"

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3310/goal-50/2013/07/30/4146871/fernandinho-delighted-with-goal-50-recognition?ICID=HP_TS_1" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/3310/goa ... ID=HP_TS_1</a>

that list is a joke though. aguero, silva, toure, nastasic, kompany don't make it, but robbie keane does, lol.

This. A few examples of how stupid the list is:

Neymar was placed 12th above Iniesta who's 19th,
Fred was placed 13th the likes of Falcao (17th), Lewa (15th), Cavani (16th)
Paulinho placed 12th above Gotze, Mata, Gundogan, Javi Martinez
Ribery - 2nd
Ronaldo - 3rd