Fernandinho

[Jumanji]

I'll be honest, I've not been that impressed. Certainly not seen 30mils worth of player. He's not as good going forward as yaya and certainly not as good as enforcing as NDJ which i think we missed massively last year. That said he's better than barry and rodwell. Hopefully he'll improve and I'll start seeing some of the performances that people say he is capeable of

he's a far better player than de jong at every aspect other than perhaps crunching slide tackles, which are of limited value anyway

Which have actually faded greatly from his game since being dropped from the Holland squad.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

By the way you can go on about de Jongs crunching tackles or him being an enforcer all you like, Fernandinho is far more effective defensively for us. In a two man midfield it's a no contest as NDJ was simply unable to play in this formation as he wasn't mobile enough, hence him not being in our starting 11 for the title winning season. Fernaindho hasn't really given us those crunching tackles (and so what!?) but I've lost count of the amount of counter attacks he's taken the sting out of or stopped completely. Not to mention his interceptions and disposessing the opposition without having to fly in on the deck, which is far more important than sticking one on an opposition player.

You can keep your crunching tackles, I'll stick with what's best for the team and to me it seems to be obvious even at this early stage that it's fernandinho and the attributes he brings as opposed to those of De Jong and Barry (though I woulda still kept Barry)

 

[kippaxblue76]

By the way you can go on about de Jongs crunching tackles or him being an enforcer all you like, Fernandinho is far more effective defensively for us. In a two man midfield it's a no contest as NDJ was simply unable to play in this formation as he wasn't mobile enough, hence him not being in our starting 11 for the title winning season. Fernaindho hasn't really given us those crunching tackles (and so what!?) but I've lost count of the amount of counter attacks he's taken the sting out of or stopped completely. Not to mention his interceptions and disposessing the opposition without having to fly in on the deck, which is far more important than sticking one on an opposition player.

You can keep your crunching tackles, I'll stick with what's best for the team and to me it seems to be obvious even at this early stage that it's fernandinho and the attributes he brings as opposed to those of De Jong and Barry (though I woulda still kept Barry)

Just about sums it up. In defence of NDJ though in certain games we do miss him. I would still have him in the squad.

 

[ninjamonkey]

All this mentioning of NDJ makes we wish we still had him. I midfield trio of NDJ Yaya and Fernandinho would be unstoppable.

 

[LoveCity]

I don't think De Jong is as good as he was before that injury he got, but I'd still rather have him on the bench than Garcia as a midfield option. But there are better options than De Jong out there now, too. I'd say Capoue who Tottenham signed (and got injured) would have been a good backup midfielder for us. If we can get Matuidi (better than Capoue) or Pogba (probably the next great lanky French-African midfielder), both linked with us, we're laughing as far as midfield goes... especially if Rodwell can also stay fit for 5 minutes. We could do seamless rotation of Yaya/Fernandinho for Rodwell/new signing which we can't right now.

But more on-topic again, Fernandinho seems to be cutting down on yellow cards which is good. Avoiding a suspension before the 'clean slate' (when it that? Early 2014?) could be tough though as he's only two away in the league.

 

[Brightwell’s left peg]

I'll be honest, I've not been that impressed. Certainly not seen 30mils worth of player. He's not as good going forward as yaya and certainly not as good as enforcing as NDJ which i think we missed massively last year. That said he's better than barry and rodwell. Hopefully he'll improve and I'll start seeing some of the performances that people say he is capeable of

I agree...we'd have been better off banking some of that 30m and gone for Fellaini instead. On top of that, think of all the money the club could have made selling scouser wigs. Utd are laughing in our faces right now.

 

[stony]

By the way you can go on about de Jongs crunching tackles or him being an enforcer all you like, Fernandinho is far more effective defensively for us. In a two man midfield it's a no contest as NDJ was simply unable to play in this formation as he wasn't mobile enough, hence him not being in our starting 11 for the title winning season. Fernaindho hasn't really given us those crunching tackles (and so what!?) but I've lost count of the amount of counter attacks he's taken the sting out of or stopped completely. Not to mention his interceptions and disposessing the opposition without having to fly in on the deck, which is far more important than sticking one on an opposition player.

You can keep your crunching tackles, I'll stick with what's best for the team and to me it seems to be obvious even at this early stage that it's fernandinho and the attributes he brings as opposed to those of De Jong and Barry (though I woulda still kept Barry)

Great post Hombre, agree completely with everything you've said. Including keeping Barry.

 

[pee dubya]

He's growing on me every game. The only very minor concern i have is how easily he sometimes gets beaten 1 on 1, he can over-commit a little. Not such a problem if you're in a 3 man midfield, but with 2 if you let a midfielder get past you he's then directly attacking the defence, with strikers also ahead of him. Also not such a problem with Kompany in defence who's happy to step out, but with the make-shift defence it's better off trying to slow them up and shepherd them away from the middle than rushing towards the ball and being beaten.

 

[jay_mcfc]

By the way you can go on about de Jongs crunching tackles or him being an enforcer all you like, Fernandinho is far more effective defensively for us. In a two man midfield it's a no contest as NDJ was simply unable to play in this formation as he wasn't mobile enough, hence him not being in our starting 11 for the title winning season. Fernaindho hasn't really given us those crunching tackles (and so what!?) but I've lost count of the amount of counter attacks he's taken the sting out of or stopped completely. Not to mention his interceptions and disposessing the opposition without having to fly in on the deck, which is far more important than sticking one on an opposition player.

You can keep your crunching tackles, I'll stick with what's best for the team and to me it seems to be obvious even at this early stage that it's fernandinho and the attributes he brings as opposed to those of De Jong and Barry (though I woulda still kept Barry)

Excellent Al. Fernandinho is the fucking nuts.

 

[bluethunder]

I'll be honest, I've not been that impressed. Certainly not seen 30mils worth of player. He's not as good going forward as yaya and certainly not as good as enforcing as NDJ which i think we missed massively last year. That said he's better than barry and rodwell. Hopefully he'll improve and I'll start seeing some of the performances that people say he is capeable of

he's a far better player than de jong at every aspect other than perhaps crunching slide tackles, which are of limited value anyway

if you get yourself in the right position at the right time, you dont need to tackle, you simply intercept or make a standing tackle.

the likes of de jong have to make tackles because they weren't in a good position in the first place.

 

[BlueTG]

Positionally better then NDJ, better at intercepting and passing also.
I loved De Jong, but his game could be limited, Mancini knew how to use him and did it very well. But for me Fernandinho is a lot better. Personally I think give him a year or two, he will be pinging those passes to all over the pitch, he already reads the game just as well as anyone else does in our team. He may not seem to be 'living' up to his price tag, but I think he is going to be one of those Barry like players where we miss him when he is not in the side, bar some of the excellent passes he has started to play.

A player who will keep growing into our team imo.

 

[bluethunder]

He's growing on me every game. The only very minor concern i have is how easily he sometimes gets beaten 1 on 1, he can over-commit a little. Not such a problem if you're in a 3 man midfield, but with 2 if you let a midfielder get past you he's then directly attacking the defence, with strikers also ahead of him. Also not such a problem with Kompany in defence who's happy to step out, but with the make-shift defence it's better off trying to slow them up and shepherd them away from the middle than rushing towards the ball and being beaten.

we do play a 4-2-2-2, which means we're wide open and vulnerable, expect us to concede alot more goals than we did last season.

we should score more goals though. already scored 20 goals in the EPL. more than any other team.

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 6:02 pm --

and here's fernandinho vs cska.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsvrZcan1_w[/youtube]

 

[eddiemarin09]

I see a lot of positives already from him..he's already contributing to our offense by gaining possession through interceptions and kick starting our attack with quick passing up to our attacking players..his style for us is anti Mancini he's always looking to get the tempo going for our attack..I love what he does and what I love most is he is fresh to our team over time he's going to be even better and when that confidence as at a maximum he will start chipping in some screamers from outside the box ..his goal vs chelsea last year for shahktar is a glimpse of his game in full stride

 

[mammutly]

The positional comparison with NDJ is a waste of time. The current system puts Fernandinho in a place on the pitch. He has very little leeway to leave it.

 

[LoveCity]

The positional comparison with NDJ is a waste of time. The current system puts Fernandinho in a place on the pitch. He has very little leeway to leave it.

He is limited in what he's allowed to do but mostly going forward. He gets around a lot, look at his heat map compared to Ramires'.

[bigimg]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXbyoAqCEAA0rhM.jpg:large[/bigimg]

 

[BlueTG]

The positional comparison with NDJ is a waste of time. The current system puts Fernandinho in a place on the pitch. He has very little leeway to leave it.

He is limited in what he's allowed to do but mostly going forward. He gets around a lot, look at his heat map compared to Ramires'.

[bigimg]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXbyoAqCEAA0rhM.jpg:large[/bigimg]

Interesting about his Aerial Duels being strong.

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:33 pm --

The positional comparison with NDJ is a waste of time. The current system puts Fernandinho in a place on the pitch. He has very little leeway to leave it.

Not true, both Fernandinho and De Jong are more or less contained in the centre/defensive of midfield, they both play/played very similar roles. NDJ was one for last minute, crunching tackles, where as Fernandinho doesn't need to do that as much of the time because he reads the game better and puts himself in very clever positions.

 

[mammutly]

The positional comparison with NDJ is a waste of time. The current system puts Fernandinho in a place on the pitch. He has very little leeway to leave it.

He is limited in what he's allowed to do but mostly going forward. He gets around a lot, look at his heat map compared to Ramires'.

[bigimg]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXbyoAqCEAA0rhM.jpg:large[/bigimg]

Interesting about his Aerial Duels being strong.

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:33 pm --

The positional comparison with NDJ is a waste of time. The current system puts Fernandinho in a place on the pitch. He has very little leeway to leave it.

Not true, both Fernandinho and De Jong are more or less contained in the centre/defensive of midfield, they both play/played very similar roles. NDJ was one for last minute, crunching tackles, where as Fernandinho doesn't need to do that as much of the time because he reads the game better and puts himself in very clever positions.

Got to disagree with that. City play a much higher, pressing game now. In every match there are panic moments at the back which, arguably, Fernandinho should be key to preventing. But, he is not playing the same role in the side as NDJ did, because the whole side is playing differently.

EDIT: and btw form day one I've been arguing that Fernandinho is similar to Ramires - that's one comparison that is absolutely valid.

 

[BlueTG]

He is limited in what he's allowed to do but mostly going forward. He gets around a lot, look at his heat map compared to Ramires'.

[bigimg]http://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXbyoAqCEAA0rhM.jpg:large[/bigimg]

Interesting about his Aerial Duels being strong.

-- Fri Oct 25, 2013 7:33 pm --

The positional comparison with NDJ is a waste of time. The current system puts Fernandinho in a place on the pitch. He has very little leeway to leave it.

Not true, both Fernandinho and De Jong are more or less contained in the centre/defensive of midfield, they both play/played very similar roles. NDJ was one for last minute, crunching tackles, where as Fernandinho doesn't need to do that as much of the time because he reads the game better and puts himself in very clever positions.

Got to disagree with that. City play a much higher, pressing game now. In every match there are panic moments at the back which, arguably, Fernandinho should be key to preventing. But, he is not playing the same role in the side as NDJ did, because the whole side is playing differently.

I see your point, personally although it's a different set up granted, I see their roles being similar.

 

[Heart.net]

Re-uploaded comp.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LOcX6KOIlVU[/youtube]

 

[FantasyIreland]

Silk with steel,like all great players,the game looks easy to him.

Yes the occasional error is being made but he has the capacity and athleticism to mostly redeem such,even when he cant you can guarantee every fibre of him has attempted to do so.

Still plenty of room for improvement as he becomes more acclimatised and his confidence grows,however,he's beginning to look right at home and will prove a fantastic adddition.