Ferran Soriano & Txiki Begiristain

[Rolee]

Now you know how we used to feel about you and Dave.

Very very lazy argument.

The extent of the role reversal is bloody shocking though. You and Dave are tubthumping happy clappers. A number of the Inners are now highly pessimistic. I am entertained.

The not so subtle difference is we're three games into a season, two of which we've won. Pellegrini's been in charge 8 week. That alone suggests there are people who don't want to give the new manager a chance and are willing him to fail. If you're suggesting that's how we were with Mancini you're just plain wrong.

As for internet persona's, I dunno, you'll have to ask GDM whether my real life persona is any different from the internet one.

City fans willing a City manager to fail??!!! Who are these cretins?

 

[Anonymous]

It's about the same imo: awkward, bumbling and discernibly self-conscious.

Haha. Ouch. Bumbling? Might have to take issue with that one ... i'll give you the other two though :)

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

It's about the same imo: awkward, bumbling and discernibly self-conscious.

Haha. Ouch. Bumbling? Might have to take issue with that one ... i'll give you the other two though :)

It's all relative ;-)

 

[Bluemoon115]

Now you know how we used to feel about you and Dave.

Very very lazy argument.

The extent of the role reversal is bloody shocking though. You and Dave are tubthumping happy clappers. A number of the Inners are now highly pessimistic. I am entertained.

The not so subtle difference is we're three games into a season, two of which we've won. Pellegrini's been in charge 8 week. That alone suggests there are people who don't want to give the new manager a chance and are willing him to fail. If you're suggesting that's how we were with Mancini you're just plain wrong.

As for internet persona's, I dunno, you'll have to ask GDM whether my real life persona is any different from the internet one.

It is quite funny to see, especially from the "Get behind the team" tubthumpers of old.

 

[Anonymous]

It's about the same imo: awkward, bumbling and discernibly self-conscious.

Haha. Ouch. Bumbling? Might have to take issue with that one ... i'll give you the other two though :)

It's all relative ;-)

Hahaha. You mean next to your boorish over confidence I can seem a little bumbling and self conscious ? I'll give you that GDM ...

 

[Troubadour]

I think a lot of the worries from the fans comes from the sudden uncertainty of the performances. Under Mancini whilst we had become predictble and possibly a little boring we were a very hard team to breakdown and score against, hence a very hard team to beat. After the last 2 games that is now no longer the case, or at least appears to be no longer the case. That confidence has gone. As the confidence of some of our players appears to have gone. 'Fragile' it has been described as. I would say more brittle again this is worrying.
As a number of posters have already pointed out if we had played some 'top' or better teams who have top class strikers we could very well be sitting on just 3 points right now. Our defence which was once a fortress now looks like a colander and that is very unnerving.

Whilst some posters on here show admirable blind faith and positivity a lot of other are basing their judgments on what they have seen in the last 2 games and they are worried with what they see. We will have a much better idea of how the season will pan out after the next 2 games. We need a minimum of 4 points from those 2 games otherwise the worries will start to become more pronounced and 4 points from the next 2 games is not going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination. It looks like it is going to be an interesting season.

If Mancini had played without Kompany and Nasty then we would have looked leaky as well, don't forget the fact that we have only conceded 3 goals and the normally reliable Zaba was at fault for all 3. It is still far too early to judge.

That is true. However, Mancini would have played Kolo who put in a number of decent performances when called upon last season. However, he was shipped out before a replacement was brought in which wasn't exactly a good idea. Also lets not forget just why Zaba was calamatious? The well drilled, efficient, proven marking system had been changed and implemented without the 2 players you mention. Again not exactly the brightest of ideas?
So to some degree the issues we are discussing are very much self inflicted. We can make all of the excuses we want but the fact remains the issues could have been avoided but they were not. So the question is asked: Why not? This is why a lot fans are nervous, they are still afraid that similar mistakes will be made in the next few games which are of paramount importance.

 

[Anonymous]

I think a lot of the worries from the fans comes from the sudden uncertainty of the performances. Under Mancini whilst we had become predictble and possibly a little boring we were a very hard team to breakdown and score against, hence a very hard team to beat. After the last 2 games that is now no longer the case, or at least appears to be no longer the case. That confidence has gone. As the confidence of some of our players appears to have gone. 'Fragile' it has been described as. I would say more brittle again this is worrying.
As a number of posters have already pointed out if we had played some 'top' or better teams who have top class strikers we could very well be sitting on just 3 points right now. Our defence which was once a fortress now looks like a colander and that is very unnerving.

Whilst some posters on here show admirable blind faith and positivity a lot of other are basing their judgments on what they have seen in the last 2 games and they are worried with what they see. We will have a much better idea of how the season will pan out after the next 2 games. We need a minimum of 4 points from those 2 games otherwise the worries will start to become more pronounced and 4 points from the next 2 games is not going to be easy by any stretch of the imagination. It looks like it is going to be an interesting season.

If Mancini had played without Kompany and Nasty then we would have looked leaky as well, don't forget the fact that we have only conceded 3 goals and the normally reliable Zaba was at fault for all 3. It is still far too early to judge.

That is true. However, Mancini would have played Kolo who put in a number of decent performances when called upon last season. However, he was shipped out before a replacement was brought in which wasn't exactly a good idea. Also lets not forget just why Zaba was calamatious? The well drilled, efficient, proven marking system had been changed and implemented without the 2 players you mention. Again not exactly the brightest of ideas?
So to some degree the issues we are discussing are very much self inflicted. We can make all of the excuses we want but the fact remains the issues could have been avoided but they were not. So the question is asked: Why not? This is why a lot fans are nervous, they are still afraid that similar mistakes will be made in the next few games which are of paramount importance.

Self inflicted mistakes? You mean Vinny's injury, Nasty's injury, Micah's injury, Zaba's inability to mark a player two inches shorter than him ... this all happened because we changed from zonal to man marking?

Or are you suggesting the new manager should've come in and said "right boys, lets do it how Bobby did it". Notwithstanding how Bobby did it led to us conceding crucial goals in some very important games last season (Ajax in the CL and the FA Cup final to name two).

If a lot of fans are nervous they should take a pill. That's my opinion anyway.

 

[Troubadour]

If Mancini had played without Kompany and Nasty then we would have looked leaky as well, don't forget the fact that we have only conceded 3 goals and the normally reliable Zaba was at fault for all 3. It is still far too early to judge.

That is true. However, Mancini would have played Kolo who put in a number of decent performances when called upon last season. However, he was shipped out before a replacement was brought in which wasn't exactly a good idea. Also lets not forget just why Zaba was calamatious? The well drilled, efficient, proven marking system had been changed and implemented without the 2 players you mention. Again not exactly the brightest of ideas?
So to some degree the issues we are discussing are very much self inflicted. We can make all of the excuses we want but the fact remains the issues could have been avoided but they were not. So the question is asked: Why not? This is why a lot fans are nervous, they are still afraid that similar mistakes will be made in the next few games which are of paramount importance.

Self inflicted mistakes? You mean Vinny's injury, Nasty's injury, Micah's injury, Zaba's inability to mark a player two inches shorter than him ... this all happened because we changed from zonal to man marking?

Or are you suggesting the new manager should've come in and said "right boys, lets do it how Bobby did it". Notwithstanding how Bobby did it led to us conceding crucial goals in some very important games last season (Ajax in the CL and the FA Cup final to name two).

If a lot of fans are nervous they should take a pill. That's my opinion anyway.

I think it may be good for your blood pressure and overall health if you calmed down just a little Billy. A completely OTT reaction.
I am merely stating that we could have done / may have done things a little differently. I know hindsight is a precise science but
all did was propose a couple of questions and throw them out there for debate. Just relax a little eh?

 

[Anonymous]

A completely OTT reaction.

You mean I pointed out the absurd nature of what you'd posted ...

I'm terribly calm btw.

 

[supercity88]

You presume that Mancini would have offered Kolo a new contract. Given the wages he was on, he was always going to be offloaded. Pellegrini had faith in Lescott and Garcia and did not foresee injuries to our two best centre backs and to Micah. The goals conceded against Cardiff were from a players poor defending, man marking means you can see who is at fault, and Zabba was. He is still excellent but made a couple of mistakes. We showed fight and determination to go one up in that game and then to fight back. Cover has now been brought in considering the performances of Garcia and Lescott at centre back, Pellegrini has seen that we have needed to get some experienced cover in. Now the window is shut and we can see what happens. Lets see after 10 games where we are at.