Prestwich_Blue
Well-Known Member
The minimum requirement is 4 club-trained normally with no minimum requirement for association trained. So you could have 8 CT and 0 AT but not 3 CT and 5 AT.Matty said:
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
FFP - 21 Man Squad Restriction & Homegrown Quota
- Thread starter TrueBlue1705
- Start date
Matty
Well-Known Member
Prestwich_Blue said:The minimum requirement is 4 club-trained normally with no minimum requirement for association trained. So you could have 8 CT and 0 AT but not 3 CT and 5 AT.Matty said:blinkblue said:City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>
That would make naming the squad easier.
If, and obviously it's still is an "if" at this stage, this is correct and our 21 is made up of 16 + 5 then that's pretty much as good as we could have wished for. 17 + 4 was the holy grail but always unlikely, so 16 + 5 would be an excellent outcome. It would take a huge amount of pressure off us regarding summer signings.
I'd be interested to know what the 5 were made up of, i.e. how many have to be club trained and how many have to be country trained? With Hart, Milner and Clichy we've already got 3 country trained.
If that were the case then this wouldn't actually help us out at all with the limit on foreign players. If we need to add 4 club trained players then that leaves a further 17 positions, 1 of which must be country trained. We've got Hart, Milner and Clichy to add, so that leaves us with 14 foreign players instead of 13, hardly a help at all given our current squad makeup, and our rumoured targets.
BringBackSwales
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 3 Jul 2009
- Messages
- 33,650
Matty said:Prestwich_Blue said:The minimum requirement is 4 club-trained normally with no minimum requirement for association trained. So you could have 8 CT and 0 AT but not 3 CT and 5 AT.Matty said:If, and obviously it's still is an "if" at this stage, this is correct and our 21 is made up of 16 + 5 then that's pretty much as good as we could have wished for. 17 + 4 was the holy grail but always unlikely, so 16 + 5 would be an excellent outcome. It would take a huge amount of pressure off us regarding summer signings.
I'd be interested to know what the 5 were made up of, i.e. how many have to be club trained and how many have to be country trained? With Hart, Milner and Clichy we've already got 3 country trained.
If that were the case then this wouldn't actually help us out at all with the limit on foreign players. If we need to add 4 club trained players then that leaves a further 17 positions, 1 of which must be country trained. We've got Hart, Milner and Clichy to add, so that leaves us with 14 foreign players instead of 13, hardly a help at all given our current squad makeup, and our rumoured targets.
I am confused now; I thought 16 was 16, however the other 5 is comprised? How does 16 become 14?
BringBackSwales
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 3 Jul 2009
- Messages
- 33,650
Prestwich_Blue said:The minimum requirement is 4 club-trained normally with no minimum requirement for association trained. So you could have 8 CT and 0 AT but not 3 CT and 5 AT.Matty said:blinkblue said:City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe
<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>
That would make naming the squad easier.
If, and obviously it's still is an "if" at this stage, this is correct and our 21 is made up of 16 + 5 then that's pretty much as good as we could have wished for. 17 + 4 was the holy grail but always unlikely, so 16 + 5 would be an excellent outcome. It would take a huge amount of pressure off us regarding summer signings.
I'd be interested to know what the 5 were made up of, i.e. how many have to be club trained and how many have to be country trained? With Hart, Milner and Clichy we've already got 3 country trained.
doesn't this mean that we could either have 16+5+0 = 21 or 16+4+1 = 21? Not sure where Matty's 14 rather than 16 is now coming from, what have I misunderstood? (loads I expect)
Prestwich_Blue
Well-Known Member
That's right but we don't know that is the case. We have to register two keepers on the A-list and Hart is association trained so would presumably be that one player. That means Milner and Clichy would have to be in the 16. The four club would be Boyata, Huws, Lopes and one other (Johansen or Guidetti?) I'd be inclined to let Clichy go then if that is the case. But we don't know. Could be 3&2 or something else.Matty said:Prestwich_Blue said:The minimum requirement is 4 club-trained normally with no minimum requirement for association trained. So you could have 8 CT and 0 AT but not 3 CT and 5 AT.Matty said:If, and obviously it's still is an "if" at this stage, this is correct and our 21 is made up of 16 + 5 then that's pretty much as good as we could have wished for. 17 + 4 was the holy grail but always unlikely, so 16 + 5 would be an excellent outcome. It would take a huge amount of pressure off us regarding summer signings.
I'd be interested to know what the 5 were made up of, i.e. how many have to be club trained and how many have to be country trained? With Hart, Milner and Clichy we've already got 3 country trained.
If that were the case then this wouldn't actually help us out at all with the limit on foreign players. If we need to add 4 club trained players then that leaves a further 17 positions, 1 of which must be country trained. We've got Hart, Milner and Clichy to add, so that leaves us with 14 foreign players instead of 13, hardly a help at all given our current squad makeup, and our rumoured targets.
Prestwich_Blue
Well-Known Member
As I said, if the '+1' is association trained then Milner, Clichy & Hart are fighting for one place and the other two have to take up two of the 16 free places. So if we can get better foreign replacements then makes more sense to let both go. But we have to think about next season and subsequent ones.BringBackSwales said:doesn't this mean that we could either have 16+5+0 = 21 or 16+4+1 = 21? Not sure where Matty's 14 rather than 16 is now coming from, what have I misunderstood? (loads I expect)
Matty
Well-Known Member
BringBackSwales said:Matty said:Prestwich_Blue said:The minimum requirement is 4 club-trained normally with no minimum requirement for association trained. So you could have 8 CT and 0 AT but not 3 CT and 5 AT.
If that were the case then this wouldn't actually help us out at all with the limit on foreign players. If we need to add 4 club trained players then that leaves a further 17 positions, 1 of which must be country trained. We've got Hart, Milner and Clichy to add, so that leaves us with 14 foreign players instead of 13, hardly a help at all given our current squad makeup, and our rumoured targets.
I am confused now; I thought 16 was 16, however the other 5 is comprised? How does 16 become 14?
Basically if we must name 4 club trained players then that means Hart, Milner and Clichy can't be counted in that number. So, remove the 4 club trained players from the equation and we have a remaining squad of 17 players. 1 of those, in PB's example above, must be "association trained" i.e. in the country but not necessarily at City. Lets say we use Hart to fill that position. That leaves us 16, which can be made up of anyone we like. However, as well as our current "foreign" contingent, we've now got Milner and Clichy who we haven't been able to use in the "homegrown" quota of 5 players (as the stipulation that 4 of the 5 had to be club trained prevented this). Look below for example:-
Prestwich Blue's example
16 + 5 (where 4 of the 5 must be Club trained (CT) and 1 can be club trained or Association trained (AT). The remaining 16 can be foreign (FR))
CT - Lopes
CT - Rekik
CT - Richards
CT - Huws
AT - Hart
FR - Kompany
FR - Zabaleta
FR - Demichelis
FR - Toure
FR - Kolarov
FR - Fernandinho
FR - Garcia
FR - Nasri
FR - Silva
FR - Navas
FR - Negredo
FR - Jovetic
FR - Dzeko
FR - Aguero
FR - Clichy
FR - Pantilimon
That's the full squad, no place for Rodwell, no place for Milner, no place for any new signings at all.
Aguero93:20's example
16 + 5 (where 1 of the 5 must be Club trained (CT) and 4 can be club trained or Association trained (AT). The remaining 16 can be foreign (FR))
CT - Richards
AT - Hart
AT - Milner
AT - Clichy
AT - Rodwell
FR - Kompany
FR - Zabaleta
FR - Demichelis
FR - Toure
FR - Kolarov
FR - Fernandinho
FR - Garcia
FR - Nasri
FR - Silva
FR - Navas
FR - Negredo
FR - Jovetic
FR - Dzeko
FR - Aguero
FR - Pantilimon
FR -
That's the full squad, no-one misses out, and we've even got a free place for any new signings.
As you can see, the difference is, in example 1 we are forced to include Lopes, Rekik and Huws as A List players and exclude Rodwell and Milner altogether. In example 2 we can include Rodwell, and Milner, and have a free squad spot, and we can simply add Lopes, Rekik and Huws to our B List anyway and they'd still be eligible for the squad.
BringBackSwales
Well-Known Member
- Joined
- 3 Jul 2009
- Messages
- 33,650
Matty said:BringBackSwales said:Matty said:If that were the case then this wouldn't actually help us out at all with the limit on foreign players. If we need to add 4 club trained players then that leaves a further 17 positions, 1 of which must be country trained. We've got Hart, Milner and Clichy to add, so that leaves us with 14 foreign players instead of 13, hardly a help at all given our current squad makeup, and our rumoured targets.
I am confused now; I thought 16 was 16, however the other 5 is comprised? How does 16 become 14?
Basically if we must name 4 club trained players then that means Hart, Milner and Clichy can't be counted in that number. So, remove the 4 club trained players from the equation and we have a remaining squad of 17 players. 1 of those, in PB's example above, must be "association trained" i.e. in the country but not necessarily at City. Lets say we use Hart to fill that position. That leaves us 16, which can be made up of anyone we like. However, as well as our current "foreign" contingent, we've now got Milner and Clichy who we haven't been able to use in the "homegrown" quota of 5 players (as the stipulation that 4 of the 5 had to be club trained prevented this). Look below for example:-
Prestwich Blue's example
16 + 5 (where 4 of the 5 must be Club trained (CT) and 1 can be club trained or Association trained (AT). The remaining 16 can be foreign (FR))
CT - Lopes
CT - Rekik
CT - Richards
CT - Huws
AT - Hart
FR - Kompany
FR - Zabaleta
FR - Demichelis
FR - Toure
FR - Kolarov
FR - Fernandinho
FR - Garcia
FR - Nasri
FR - Silva
FR - Navas
FR - Negredo
FR - Jovetic
FR - Dzeko
FR - Aguero
FR - Clichy
FR - Pantilimon
That's the full squad, no place for Rodwell, no place for Milner, no place for any new signings at all.
Aguero93:20's example
16 + 5 (where 1 of the 5 must be Club trained (CT) and 4 can be club trained or Association trained (AT). The remaining 16 can be foreign (FR))
CT - Richards
AT - Hart
AT - Milner
AT - Clichy
AT - Rodwell
FR - Kompany
FR - Zabaleta
FR - Demichelis
FR - Toure
FR - Kolarov
FR - Fernandinho
FR - Garcia
FR - Nasri
FR - Silva
FR - Navas
FR - Negredo
FR - Jovetic
FR - Dzeko
FR - Aguero
FR - Pantilimon
FR -
That's the full squad, no-one misses out, and we've even got a free place for any new signings.
As you can see, the difference is, in example 1 we are forced to include Lopes, Rekik and Huws as A List players and exclude Rodwell and Milner altogether. In example 2 we can include Rodwell, and Milner, and have a free squad spot, and we can simply add Lopes, Rekik and Huws to our B List anyway and they'd still be eligible for the squad.
got it, thanks Matty, very detailed, and very kind
Neville Kneville
Well-Known Member
If it started as 4+4, then it's more likely to become 3 plus 2 I would have thought. A bit of bartering from both sides probably went on.
Prestwich_Blue
Well-Known Member
We could use Johansen as the club trained second keeper, meaning we could leave Pantilimon (who's probably going anyway) out. Or go for Kieren Westwood who would class as club trained I think, having been with us three seasons while under 21.