FFP - 21 Man Squad Restriction & Homegrown Quota

[George Hannah]

Now that we have Nastasic's CL future cleared up, would Pogba be A list or B list?

A list for sure in my opinion - but others may disagree.

 

[Solomon Trim]

I agree with others that this is a good opportunity to include some of our EDS players.

However, I also think that, provided we sell some players for decent amounts, we should not shy away from signing another English player. I would go for Theo Walcott. I don't think he would be that expensive (transfer fee and wages, compared to others) and Pelegrini could help him relaunch his career. Wide players with pace are important in breaking down teams that put everyone behind the ball and we gave this on a fairly regular basis, these days.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Now that we have Nastasic's CL future cleared up, would Pogba be A list or B list?

A list for sure in my opinion - but others may disagree.

A-list & foreign. He didn't stay 3 years with the rags. 35 months it was. Would have to have been with us for 2 years to get on the B-list.

 

[Gordyola]

According to the Evening rag the HG number is reduced down but City have to stay "tight lipped"

City's Champions League hopes next season have been given a boost after Uefa relaxed the terms of their squad restriction.

The Blues will only be able to name a 21-man squad for next season’s competition rather than the usual 25, as part of their punishment for breaches of financial fair play rules.

That led to fears that they would have to meet the strict criteria of including eight home-grown players in the squad.

That would have meant they could only include 13 foreign stars, and with 14 already on their books, and three more expected this summer, it would have left manager Manuel Pellegrini with a major headache.

Uefa have refused to reveal the detail of the make-up of the reduced squad and City say they have been instructed to stay tight-lipped.

But M.E.N. Sport understands that the Blues squeezed a concession out of Uefa and will be allowed 16 ‘free’ players and just five ‘home-grown’.

It explains why City have not made efforts to keep out-of-contract English players Joleon Lescott and Gareth Barry, while Micah Richards, Jack Rodwell and Scott Sinclair will leave.

 

[Centurions]

that's completely incorrect, we can only play Nastasic as a foreign trained player and consequently he uses up one of the places (be it 13,14,15,16 or 17) in the squad for non- locally trained players (2,3 or 4 of whom have to be club trained - #lancs blue)

Wrong Nastasic will be on the B list next year as he will be with us over 2 years and born after 1st of January 1993.

This is fun, the only purpose of this discussion it to ascertain whether Nasty can count as a non-foreign trained player in our CL squad next season. The answer is unfortunately he can't. He needed to have been here 3 years to be eligible as locally trained - so he will occupy one of the 17 (or less) spots we have been allocated for players who are not club trained or home association trained.

Why do you keep banging on about 'locally trained', nobody (except you, constantly) has mentioned 'locally trained' in relation to Nastasic.
The term 'locally trained' does not apply to the 'B' list only the 'A' list. You do know that you don't need to be on the 'A' list in order to actually play? The 'B' list isn't held in reserve where players are then promoted if necessary to the 'A' list.

 

[Centurions]

The point is we can have as many players as we like on the B-list and he fulfils the criteria, having been with us two full seasons now and was born after 1/1/93. If he's on the B-list then he frees up a space on the A-list.

that's completely incorrect, we can only play Nastasic as a foreign trained player and consequently he uses up one of the places, be it 13,14,15,16 or 17 in the squad for non- locally trained players (2,3 or 4 of whom have to be club trained - #lancs blue)

Does anyone else head hurt? with all of this...........I am glad you guys know the score. of FFP.
One last question : Has Uefa actually imposed these sanctions yet. IF so - where? please don't say "in the media" because they just guessing.
With phrases like BBC has learned etc...or believes.......

If you mean have they written them in stone yet then the answer would be maybe ;)
All the UEFA sanctions are linked here from UEFA's own website :- <a class="postlink" href="http://www.uefa.org/disciplinary/club-financial-controlling-body/cases/index.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.uefa.org/disciplinary/club-f ... index.html</a> but there still seems to be some discussion going on and of course the appeal process from other clubs who want to complain about too lax punishments (Arsenal?) is still in the timeframe.

 

[Rolee]

Why are you quoting List A regs when we're talking about List B??

because those are the relevant ones for determining whether Nastasic is eligible as a locally trained player and can be counted as one of the five - if that's how it turns out. The B list only contains players who turn twenty one in the current season, Nastasic turned 21 last season. I'm going to write a scholarly monograph on this.

This is where you're mistaken George. Under21 by UEFA's definition is someone who is under the age of 21 at the START of the year in which the current season commences.

 

[john@staustell]

I guess we'd better post them yet again: (for Jan 1991 read 92 for next season)

Conditions for registration: List B
18.16 Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B
during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00 CET on
the day before the match in question.
18.17 A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1991
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.

 

[bobmcfc]

According to the Evening rag the HG number is reduced down but City have to stay "tight lipped"

City's Champions League hopes next season have been given a boost after Uefa relaxed the terms of their squad restriction.

The Blues will only be able to name a 21-man squad for next season’s competition rather than the usual 25, as part of their punishment for breaches of financial fair play rules.

That led to fears that they would have to meet the strict criteria of including eight home-grown players in the squad.

That would have meant they could only include 13 foreign stars, and with 14 already on their books, and three more expected this summer, it would have left manager Manuel Pellegrini with a major headache.

Uefa have refused to reveal the detail of the make-up of the reduced squad and City say they have been instructed to stay tight-lipped.

But M.E.N. Sport understands that the Blues squeezed a concession out of Uefa and will be allowed 16 ‘free’ players and just five ‘home-grown’.

It explains why City have not made efforts to keep out-of-contract English players Joleon Lescott and Gareth Barry, while Micah Richards, Jack Rodwell and Scott Sinclair will leave.

Fingers crossed but this was my hope

 

[Rolee]

I guess we'd better post them yet again: (for Jan 1991 read 92 for next season)

Conditions for registration: List B
18.16 Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B
during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00 CET on
the day before the match in question.
18.17 A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1991
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.

Them rules are applicable from the 2012-2015 cycle so 1991 was the cut off point for the 2012/13 season therefore for the 2014/15 season it's 1993.