FFP - 21 Man Squad Restriction & Homegrown Quota

Rolee said:
George Hannah said:
lancs blue said:
Why are you quoting List A regs when we're talking about List B??
because those are the relevant ones for determining whether Nastasic is eligible as a locally trained player and can be counted as one of the five - if that's how it turns out. The B list only contains players who turn twenty one in the current season, Nastasic turned 21 last season. I'm going to write a scholarly monograph on this.
This is where you're mistaken George. Under21 by UEFA's definition is someone who is under the age of 21 at the START of the year in which the current season commences.
It is only one of my many mistakes! I have already crept under a bush with my tail between my legs on this issue awaiting rescue by the official UEFA squad list. I fear it may be a long wait. My difficulty with the regulations is that, according to the consensus view, having been a foreign trained player on the A list last season Nasty will be available to play as a B list player next season but in the following season and thereafter will revert to being a foreign trained player. B list eligibility is a matter of length of time as a registered player just the same as the locally trained rules that relate to the A list. To reduce the qualification period from 3 years to 2 just doesn't seem logically consistent but I have to acknowledge that it is what UEFA currently says - hence my current discomfiture in the dark vegetation.
 
George Hannah said:
Rolee said:
George Hannah said:
because those are the relevant ones for determining whether Nastasic is eligible as a locally trained player and can be counted as one of the five - if that's how it turns out. The B list only contains players who turn twenty one in the current season, Nastasic turned 21 last season. I'm going to write a scholarly monograph on this.
This is where you're mistaken George. Under21 by UEFA's definition is someone who is under the age of 21 at the START of the year in which the current season commences.
It is only one of my many mistakes! I have already crept under a bush with my tail between my legs on this issue awaiting rescue by the official UEFA squad list. I fear it may be a long wait. My difficulty with the regulations is that, according to the consensus view, having been a foreign trained player on the A list last season Nasty will be available to play as a B list player next season but in the following season and thereafter will revert to being a foreign trained player. B list eligibility is a matter of length of time as a registered player just the same as the locally trained rules that relate to the A list. To reduce the qualification period from 3 years to 2 just doesn't seem logically consistent but I have to acknowledge that it is what UEFA currently says - hence my current discomfiture in the dark vegetation.
You spend much longer hiding in bushes peeking out I'm gonna have to call you Stan Collymore :D
 
kramer said:
According to the Evening rag the HG number is reduced down but City have to stay "tight lipped"

City's Champions League hopes next season have been given a boost after Uefa relaxed the terms of their squad restriction.

The Blues will only be able to name a 21-man squad for next season’s competition rather than the usual 25, as part of their punishment for breaches of financial fair play rules.

That led to fears that they would have to meet the strict criteria of including eight home-grown players in the squad.

That would have meant they could only include 13 foreign stars, and with 14 already on their books, and three more expected this summer, it would have left manager Manuel Pellegrini with a major headache.

Uefa have refused to reveal the detail of the make-up of the reduced squad and City say they have been instructed to stay tight-lipped.

But M.E.N. Sport understands that the Blues squeezed a concession out of Uefa and will be allowed 16 ‘free’ players and just five ‘home-grown’.

It explains why City have not made efforts to keep out-of-contract English players Joleon Lescott and Gareth Barry, while Micah Richards, Jack Rodwell and Scott Sinclair will leave.

A good way to stay 'tight-lipped' is to print it on a newspaper.
 
lancs blue said:
George Hannah said:
lancs blue said:
GH, read the actual UEFA regs on the B-list: Nastasic is eligible for the 14/15 season.

Conditions for registration: List B

18.16 Each club is entitled to register an unlimited number of players on List B
during the season. The list must be submitted by no later than 24.00 CET on
the day before the match in question.

18.17 A player may be registered on List B if he is born on or after 1 January 1993
and has been eligible to play for the club concerned for any uninterrupted
period of two years since his 15th birthday by the time he is registered with
UEFA. Players aged 16 may be registered on List B if they have been
registered with the participating club for the previous two years without
interruption.
Conditions for registration: List A
18.08 No club may have more than 25 players on List A during the season, two of whom must be goalkeepers. As a minimum, eight places are reserved exclusively for “locally trained players” and no club may have more than four “association-trained players” listed on these eight places on List A. List A must specify the players who qualify as being “locally trained”, as well as whether they are “club-trained” or “association-trained”. The possible combinations that enable clubs to comply with the List A requirements are set out in Annex VIII.
18.09 A “locally trained player” is either a “club-trained player” or an “association-trained player”.
18.10 A “club-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which he turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which he turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons (i.e. a period starting with the first official match of the relevant national championship and ending with the last official match of that relevant national championship) or of 36 months.
18.11 An “association-trained player” is a player who, between the age of 15 (or the start of the season during which the player turns 15) and 21 (or the end of the season during which the player turns 21), and irrespective of his nationality and age, has been registered with a club or with other clubs affiliated to the same association as that of his current club for a period, continuous or not, of three entire seasons or of 36 months.
18.12 If a club has fewer than eight locally trained players in its squad, then the maximum number of players on List A is reduced accordingly.

Why are you quoting List A regs when we're talking about List B??
Won't make any bloody difference what list he's on if we can't get him fit.
 
City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>

That would make naming the squad easier.
 
blinkblue said:
City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>

That would make naming the squad easier.

You would imagine the MEN have been told that, it's unlikely they'd just make it up. The more that comes out about the sanctions the more you can see why we accepted, there's just no point pissing off UEFA even more for a 'pinch' as Khaldoon calls it.
 
without a dream said:
blinkblue said:
City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>

That would make naming the squad easier.

You would imagine the MEN have been told that, it's unlikely they'd just make it up. The more that comes out about the sanctions the more you can see why we accepted, there's just no point pissing off UEFA even more for a 'pinch' as Khaldoon calls it.


I expect that this was one of the major issues with UEFA and would have taken much negotiation to the extent that this delayed the FPPR announcement. I would say that having got this concession we would accept our punishment as such.
 
blinkblue said:
City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>

That would make naming the squad easier.

If, and obviously it's still is an "if" at this stage, this is correct and our 21 is made up of 16 + 5 then that's pretty much as good as we could have wished for. 17 + 4 was the holy grail but always unlikely, so 16 + 5 would be an excellent outcome. It would take a huge amount of pressure off us regarding summer signings.

I'd be interested to know what the 5 were made up of, i.e. how many have to be club trained and how many have to be country trained? With Hart, Milner and Clichy we've already got 3 country trained.
 
Matty said:
blinkblue said:
City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>

That would make naming the squad easier.

If, and obviously it's still is an "if" at this stage, this is correct and our 21 is made up of 16 + 5 then that's pretty much as good as we could have wished for. 17 + 4 was the holy grail but always unlikely, so 16 + 5 would be an excellent outcome. It would take a huge amount of pressure off us regarding summer signings.

I'd be interested to know what the 5 were made up of, i.e. how many have to be club trained and how many have to be country trained? With Hart, Milner and Clichy we've already got 3 country trained.
SB was saying on twitter that if it follows UEFA squad reduction rules it'll be 4 association trained and 1 club trained, maybe he's heard something from the club?
 
aguero93:20 said:
Matty said:
blinkblue said:
City only required to name FIVE homegrown players in Europe

<a class="postlink" href="http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/manchester-city-only-required-name-7149013#.U3yTudepF34.twitter" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/ ... 34.twitter</a>

That would make naming the squad easier.

If, and obviously it's still is an "if" at this stage, this is correct and our 21 is made up of 16 + 5 then that's pretty much as good as we could have wished for. 17 + 4 was the holy grail but always unlikely, so 16 + 5 would be an excellent outcome. It would take a huge amount of pressure off us regarding summer signings.

I'd be interested to know what the 5 were made up of, i.e. how many have to be club trained and how many have to be country trained? With Hart, Milner and Clichy we've already got 3 country trained.
SB was saying on twitter that if it follows UEFA squad reduction rules it'll be 4 association trained and 1 club trained, maybe he's heard something from the club?

That too would be ideal. We wouldn't actually have to target any new signings for their homegrown status, with Hart, Milner, Clichy, Rodwell, Wright, Richards, Lopes, Rekik, Huws etc we could make up those 4 + 1 spots with relative ease. Even if we lose some of those players (Richards, Rodwell, Wright) then wed be able to cover that. Whoever our number 3 keeper is they are highly likely to be homegrown for example.
 

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