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Discussion in 'Bluemoon forum' started by roxy, 13 Aug 2019.
What did we do that was 'clearly wrong'?
Apologies if that didn't make sense. I'll try to explain better.
There's a legal argument that City would likely win in court because the Football Leaks documents were obtained illegally, no? We also already settled with UEFA who via this agreement acknowledged that we broke FFP rules and would accept the fine and smaller squad size.
A number of our outspoken fans on Twitter who appear to understand legal matters/accounting/running a club suggest City won't be banned because UEFA's legal argument is not strong and we could sue them (I believe).
My point is such a lawsuit will make the club look even poorer in the eyes of the public because even if the documents were obtained illegally, and there was a settlement, is anyone arguing what City did isn't true? Trying to hide behind a technicality in court, when we are already dealing with a constant barrage of negative press would make us look even worse, possibly, to the public and we would be smeared significantly. Is that what the club wants to help it grow?
With the PSG FFP revelations in Tariq Panja's piece in the NY Times on how they got away with no punishment for the summer of Neymar and Mbappe, UEFA are under even more pressure to do something about the Football Leaks "revelations" with City because of what appears to be some form of corruption (disagreement between one body who felt they clearly violated FFP, vs. the former Belgian PM, Yves Leterme, who disagreed and ironically enough is the lead investigator/decision maker in our case now, and who many are led to believe dislikes us).
And of course Yves Leterme, ironically enough, is the one who is deciding our fate and the other NY Times article is very set on punishing us/giving us a CL ban.
He looks quite bad from the PSG investigation. You think he will want to do the same thing (i.e. let us walk with little to no punishment) after that it was revealed he let PSG walk when the former judge who helped investigate PSG, Cunha Rodrigues said, “The decision to close the case, was manifestly erroneous.”?
That is what has me concerned.
City taking uefa to court will not effect our ffp its like building a new stand that wont effect ffp.
It is outlined in the Football Leaks documents/emails, but as far as I understand we tried to cover up or over-inflate or create "shadow groups" that generated some key sources of revenue to the club in order to meet FFP rules. Here's a quote from The Guardian about what was written in Der Spiegel:
So, "getting away" with this on a "technicality" is quite normal if you're a wealthy person or company with fantastic lawyers, but the public fallout has to be worth it. When you are a highly public company who depends on popularity via heavy media coverage like a football club, this is not good for the bottom line, I gather. the general way to deal with it is accept some form of punishment in a settlement (Think Erin Brockovich or Monsonto) so you can move on.
But we already settled and lied further in that settlement. This looks even worse.
If we decide to not care about the public fallout then so be it. I accept that, but not sure the club wants to take that risk even if we are acting like we are. Not sure if who is bluffing and feels a bit like a game of chicken.
I gladly stand corrected. Cheers. I forgot that certain aspects of spending don't count.
Fifa accused of 'astonishing' leniency after fining Manchester City for breaching rules on transfers of schoolchildren
The comparative leniency of Monday’s sanction was branded “astonishing” last night by a lawyer and agent who has represented schoolboy players being pursued by clubs in the world’s richest league.
Dan Chapman, head of the sports and employment teams at Leathes Prior, told the Daily Telegraph:
I look forward to people trafficking being added to the next edition of City Bingo.....
Leaked emails hey this what you relying on. :/
Just to go back to what I said about our lovely friend Yves Leterme, who let PSG go, and remind us of what he said as quoted in that Guardian article:
In fairness, this could also just be the usual statement he has to make publicly, as otherwise what is the point of having the CFCB. However, as I also alluded to, the PSG revelations came after this and he was exposed as being soft on PSG.
How might that affect his approach towards City?
He needs to cover his arse as does UEFA/CFCB, if you ask me, and we are the obvious choice to be next in line to be the fall guy.
That is an allegation not proof of anything,trust the club has the evidence it needs,as for popularity,it's not going to stop us growing our fan base,fans are only interested in what the team does and the trophies we win,the club has said very forcefully we have done nothing wrong and have hit the first,we wouldn't do that for the fun of it