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Five years that's all we got.
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You'd have been listening to this as a child
You'd have been listening to this as a child
Two words probebly explain why we haven't dominated domestically,Champions League,in my opinion if we didn't have that we would have had another couple of league titles,just looking at Chelsea this year shows this,we have to spread ourselves so thin fighting on all fronts we end up coming away with not a lot to show for the season.
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1976 to 2013 = absolute fuck all
2013 to 2017 = 5 major trophies
What the foock are you on about?
2013?
(Fair point though)
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It's a real half full / half empty situation, and personally I think it stems from two consecutive seasons where we have been deemed to underachieved. Though a cup at the end of this season wouldn't be unwelcome and may change a few minds.
As recognised above the league has become much more competitive over the past five seasons. We've still not reached our potential and fair enough could be said we could have won more, but football is a funny old game or so they say.
I prefer to take the longer term view. If the lessons from the original post show us anything, that all viewpoints can probably agree upon, it is to never judge a manager in his first season, especially after winning the league. That will apply to Conte too next season, as it did to Ranieri, Mancini and Pellegrini before.
If we look ahead to next season then we don't look in too bad shape. Chelsea are strong but will have European football to consider, I think that will affect them and they won't win it again. Under conte they have concentrated on defending well and breaking fast, something they pretty much already had the right players in place to do well, no European games and they were already a team capable of top four, last season was a blip created seemingly by an issue between coaching staff and players.
Spurs (holds nose before praise) reserve a lot of credit for how they have done things and they way they play, but even with a squad which some view as past it or in need of millions in investment, we are better than them and showed it already on the pitch, only a blind ref meant we didn't beat them. There is too a danger of spurs becoming the next Arsenal. Second again, do they invest or stand firm, sell a couple of players to rivals for big money?
United will spend and spend to get back to the top table, and unfortunately will never receive the same criticism we did for it. But they need quite a few players, big nose has carried them this season and they know it. If they miss out on the champions league then it becomes harder for them to attract the players they want, plus they are only even top six with the help of several incorrect offside calls. Even Phil Neville admitted it on the BBC recently, though he was the only one of nine pundits to not pick Kante as player of the season, bizarrely opting for the Swedish professional flower sniffer instead.
Liverpool have some work to do to kick on too, and they are at serious risk of losing their best players yet again. Defensively they'd give us a run for our money on lack of application and have a few players who seem quite injury prone, not something Klopp's style helps. Again, if they miss out on the champions league then it becomes a case of who they keep rather than who they buy.
Which brings us to god's own. Maybe blue tinted specs here but first season moving to a very different, adventurous European system, two big players who have hardly had a part due to injuries in Ilkay and Gabriel, and a plan for investment come Summer with coach who now knows where the bar is set, and who we need to get in to achieve it.if, god forbid, we miss our 4th on the top four then we will be the ones to struggle to get the personnel we need, but I have a feeling that Pep has already identified specific players for both cases.
We should have done better this season, but analysing why seems to point at some odd decisions against us, which we can't do anything about, and a very odd run where teams we played for a while scored with every shot on target, which we can do something about, be it defend better or bring in new personnel who kind of like using their hands to save shots which can be rather useful.
Point is, I'm very comfortable where we are heading in comparison to our main rivals, and although we should not give up the fight for one second this season, I hope and expect next season to be more rewarding for us blues.
As recognised above the league has become much more competitive over the past five seasons. We've still not reached our potential and fair enough could be said we could have won more, but football is a funny old game or so they say.
I prefer to take the longer term view. If the lessons from the original post show us anything, that all viewpoints can probably agree upon, it is to never judge a manager in his first season, especially after winning the league. That will apply to Conte too next season, as it did to Ranieri, Mancini and Pellegrini before.
If we look ahead to next season then we don't look in too bad shape. Chelsea are strong but will have European football to consider, I think that will affect them and they won't win it again. Under conte they have concentrated on defending well and breaking fast, something they pretty much already had the right players in place to do well, no European games and they were already a team capable of top four, last season was a blip created seemingly by an issue between coaching staff and players.
Spurs (holds nose before praise) reserve a lot of credit for how they have done things and they way they play, but even with a squad which some view as past it or in need of millions in investment, we are better than them and showed it already on the pitch, only a blind ref meant we didn't beat them. There is too a danger of spurs becoming the next Arsenal. Second again, do they invest or stand firm, sell a couple of players to rivals for big money?
United will spend and spend to get back to the top table, and unfortunately will never receive the same criticism we did for it. But they need quite a few players, big nose has carried them this season and they know it. If they miss out on the champions league then it becomes harder for them to attract the players they want, plus they are only even top six with the help of several incorrect offside calls. Even Phil Neville admitted it on the BBC recently, though he was the only one of nine pundits to not pick Kante as player of the season, bizarrely opting for the Swedish professional flower sniffer instead.
Liverpool have some work to do to kick on too, and they are at serious risk of losing their best players yet again. Defensively they'd give us a run for our money on lack of application and have a few players who seem quite injury prone, not something Klopp's style helps. Again, if they miss out on the champions league then it becomes a case of who they keep rather than who they buy.
Which brings us to god's own. Maybe blue tinted specs here but first season moving to a very different, adventurous European system, two big players who have hardly had a part due to injuries in Ilkay and Gabriel, and a plan for investment come Summer with coach who now knows where the bar is set, and who we need to get in to achieve it.if, god forbid, we miss our 4th on the top four then we will be the ones to struggle to get the personnel we need, but I have a feeling that Pep has already identified specific players for both cases.
We should have done better this season, but analysing why seems to point at some odd decisions against us, which we can't do anything about, and a very odd run where teams we played for a while scored with every shot on target, which we can do something about, be it defend better or bring in new personnel who kind of like using their hands to save shots which can be rather useful.
Point is, I'm very comfortable where we are heading in comparison to our main rivals, and although we should not give up the fight for one second this season, I hope and expect next season to be more rewarding for us blues.
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1976 to 2013 = absolute fuck all
2013 to 2017 = 5 major trophies
What the foock are you on about?
And there was me thinking 2011 & 2012 were good years.
Bet your a riot on new years eve, FOR FUCKS SAKE. !2013 Nowt
2014 League and League Cup
2015 Nowt
2016 LC
2017 unfinished but not a League
So 1 League, 2 League Cups and maybe 1 FA cup. Don't get me wrong it is not bad but hardly the domination that Vincent was talking up after the first league win and probably not what Khaldoun had in mind either.
Most successful club in the time frame? Not if Chelsea win the league this year.
I was not suggesting that the whole thing had been a disaster merely a seriously missed opportunity.
I know I know lol. I had a brain block because I cant believe some 'supporters' are such muppetsAnd there was me thinking 2011 & 2012 were good years.
And we knew he wasn't lyingCried so much his face was wet.