For example fans on the metro pushing and shoving disabled people on the tram, shouting and swearing in front of old ladies on the train just a general poor behaviour involving or in front of actual living people as opposed to some who died 62 years ago.
Read the book 'The Lost Babes' about a club who did nowt to aid any victims for about 20 years and then manipulated their own fans into mourning every year once they found out how much money could be made from organised orchestrated grief. That to me is far worse than a few drunk dickheads playing aeroplanes.
How many people realise that 8 of the dead were players two or three were club officials and about a dozen were reporters and fans who hitched a ride on the plane. Nobody gives a toss about them except for City fans throwing in Frank Swift in a bit of whataboutery.
The whole bloody thing was shameful. Far worse than stupid bloody gestures.
So utd fans can sing about blues are gonna die, they can sing and have banners about Istanbul and bill shankly, they can attack the house of their chairman and not one picture on so I'll media or an individual? Fuck them, set of snowflakes
So we just let them take the piss? It's football, it's brutal but that was a toxic atmosphere and that's a derby. Where are the media comments for them not selling the first leg? We are trodden on by all and sundry, I'm sick of this let's all be moral blues bollocks, fuck themNo, they shouldn’t be doing any of that.
But we shouldn’t lower ourselves to their level by doing similar.
“Well, they started it” is one the worst, most juvenile explanations for any action and has been used to attempt to excuse many horrible things in the past.
Why become the thing you so despise? What satisfaction does that bring? What purpose does it serve?
No, of course we don’t just let them take the piss — we give it back in non-despicable ways. We set ourselves apart from the depraved masses, not join them. Joining them just further escalates it all and gives the media — which doesn’t really need it, I agree with you there — the opportunity to further belittle us.So we just let them take the piss? It's football, it's brutal but that was a toxic atmosphere and that's a derby. Where are the media comments for them not selling the first leg? We are trodden on by all and sundry, I'm sick of this let's all be moral blues bollocks, fuck them
Trebor mints are a minty bit stronger...
A game of simon says for the not so bright, will that do ? ;-)I don’t get the mentality of blues seeing United fans doing the aeroplane gesture and then doing it back?
anyone explain that one?
The whole thing is about respect and that is in short supply despite the amount of times the word is used. Clubs get tainted by the behaviour of fans far from the ground let alone getting on the metro although there is little that can be done away from the ground and even in it most tends to be reactive.I just feel this is whataboutism though mate.
I totally agree with your earlier points but we can tackle it all surely?
The trams aren’t the club’s business as much as what happens inside the ground.
It’s a societal thing but my point is that I think those who engage in this behaviour deserve to have some time away from the club.