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CharliesRightPeg said:
One thing is, not all refs would be needed to be in on this. Untold arsenal although a pain has a section where they keep track of which ref does each teams game. Regularly you get 3 refs doing nearly half of a teams matches in a single season. Why don' we have enough refs for them all to do 2 games per season per team max ?

Surely somehing like Moss doing multiple crystal palace games or Taylor always getting utd games makes It easy to fix required matches

Think Prestwich_Blue did something a few years ago showing our average points off the basis of 3 refs vs the rest of pgmol. There is a reason they ave a select group
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I did. I think I’ve done it up to the end of last season. You’d imagine that over the course of a number of seasons there would be no statistically significant differences between the figures for the individual refs when refereeing specific clubs. So if a club has an average of 2 points per game over 8 seasons, you would expect individual refs to show figures between 1.8 and 2.2 for games involving that clubs. Maybe 1.75 to 2.25. But there are some spectacular statistical anomalies.

Atkinson is generally OK for all the top six but there's a staggering anomaly for Dean and Arsenal. Their average PPG for all PL games from 2010/11 to 2016/17 is 1.93 but under the 27 games reffed by Dean it's 1.11. That's statistically significant and suggests something's wrong. Oliver's even worse although he's done less games (18 to Dean's 27). Jones an Moss on the other hand seem to significantly favour Arsenal.

Mason significantly favours the rags, with 2.73 PPG and Moss returns 2.53 for them compared to their overall average of 1.99.

All the rest are more or less OK and, believe it or not, Taylor is by far the most consistent across the top 6.
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I did. I think I’ve done it up to the end of last season. You’d imagine that over the course of a number of seasons there would be no statistically significant differences between the figures for the individual refs when refereeing specific clubs. So if a club has an average of 2 points per game over 8 seasons, you would expect individual refs to show figures between 1.8 and 2.2 for games involving that clubs. Maybe 1.75 to 2.25. But there are some spectacular statistical anomalies.

Atkinson is generally OK for all the top six but there's a staggering anomaly for Dean and Arsenal. Their average PPG for all PL games from 2010/11 to 2016/17 is 1.93 but under the 27 games reffed by Dean it's 1.11. That's statistically significant and suggests something's wrong. Oliver's even worse although he's done less games (18 to Dean's 27). Jones an Moss on the other hand seem to significantly favour Arsenal.

Mason significantly favours the rags, with 2.73 PPG and Moss returns 2.53 for them compared to their overall average of 1.99.

All the rest are more or less OK and, believe it or not, Taylor is by far the most consistent across the top 6.
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The last bit about Taylor is because he refs us against some shite reasonably but then fucks us over when it’s a complete game changers, Chelsea last year and Wigan this.
He’s a corrupt, bent, cheating, money grabbing **** I hear.
 
they pick their moments. They also referee in pods, which means certain refs are paired together and will work with the same few referees and linesmen with very little changes all season, even easier to get at. I've also noticed, though it's not in stats form, that these pairings sometimes will referee the same club in successive games, and that allows, if they are assigned to the correct stretch of games, for that pod to derail a team over 2/3 games.
 
BJL_City said:
they pick their moments. They also referee in pods, which means certain refs are paired together and will work with the same few referees and linesmen with very little changes all season, even easier to get at. I've also noticed, though it's not in stats form, that these pairings sometimes will referee the same club in successive games, and that allows, if they are assigned to the correct stretch of games, for that pod to derail a team over 2/3 games.
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Think you'e talking about the 4th official being able to influence the ref due to being miked up. Then you've got refs asking, what does the TV say ...
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I did. I think I’ve done it up to the end of last season. You’d imagine that over the course of a number of seasons there would be no statistically significant differences between the figures for the individual refs when refereeing specific clubs. So if a club has an average of 2 points per game over 8 seasons, you would expect individual refs to show figures between 1.8 and 2.2 for games involving that clubs. Maybe 1.75 to 2.25. But there are some spectacular statistical anomalies.

Atkinson is generally OK for all the top six but there's a staggering anomaly for Dean and Arsenal. Their average PPG for all PL games from 2010/11 to 2016/17 is 1.93 but under the 27 games reffed by Dean it's 1.11. That's statistically significant and suggests something's wrong. Oliver's even worse although he's done less games (18 to Dean's 27). Jones an Moss on the other hand seem to significantly favour Arsenal.

Mason significantly favours the rags, with 2.73 PPG and Moss returns 2.53 for them compared to their overall average of 1.99.

All the rest are more or less OK and, believe it or not, Taylor is by far the most consistent across the top 6.
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Some of this will be under the, we didn' give them a chance to do us over, so won anyways. Seems to me that only occasionally do we get royally screwed in smaller games, they keep the bias for the top 6 matches which are close enough for them to influence
 
BJL_City said:
they pick their moments. They also referee in pods, which means certain refs are paired together and will work with the same few referees and linesmen with very little changes all season, even easier to get at. I've also noticed, though it's not in stats form, that these pairings sometimes will referee the same club in successive games, and that allows, if they are assigned to the correct stretch of games, for that pod to derail a team over 2/3 games.
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They often work with the same assistants as well.
 
Used to follow this guy but a lot of what he said was mumbo jumbo and when asked for evidence you never got a reply.

I certainly believe football is fixed. Does the blog detail David Gill in all this?
 
Football doesn't need to be fixed illicitly. It's already fixed right in the open. That's why almost every decision made in the last 30 years has been designed to get more money for the big clubs at the expense of everyone else, and then remove any threat to their established position. The latest is the Champions League seeding taking into account historical success. Notice how that concession was made pretty soon after they switched to make the league champions the automatic top seeds. Or FFP, which seemed to originate as a fairly noble idea, but was quickly taken over by the established elite as a way to remove the threat of outside investment threatening their income.

But it's definitely not beyond the realms of possibility. There's a precedent. South Korea's games in the 2002 World Cup were obviously fixed with dodgy referees. It's really not a stretch to imagine various competitions ensuring that the biggest commercial draws get preferential treatment for referees in the same way. And certainly the lack of transparency throughout football doesn't exactly do much to dispel the idea.
 
davek1808 said:
Going to be interesting to see if there's any iffy decisions in the battle to stay up.
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It will be interesting to see how many times Salah is allowed to punch/kick another player before the end of the season.
 
The issue for me is Mike Riley

If anyone has seen the reffing of the United v Arsenal match which resulted in the end of the Invicibles run of matches would have to be blind to suggest that it was anything other than corrupt and the ref that day was Mr Riley

The referees are never held to account no matter how poor they are and they are very few in number which creates an old boys network where a small number of referees are beholden to Riley for his largesse and this creates the potential for corrupt practices. The whole state of refereeing in this country should be reviewed and an open and transparent system put in place for the appointment of referees with peer reviews and relegation and promotions should be enabled to ensure those that are making regular and clear mistakes are demoted and therefore no longer receiving wages whilst others are promoted

This should not be at the behest of one individual but unfortunately the media in this country is controlled by Sky and they have no interest in upsetting their golden goose its just a shame that the rest of the media have gone along with this situation. Like FIFA no one person should be allowed to control an organisation without independent audit otherwise corruption can infect.

It is has been legally proven that football has been corrupted in the past why should the UK be immune to such processes
 
A lot of talk on here about no proof, speculation etc but often circumstantial evidence (when repeatedly offered regarding the same offender) is damning. Further more in the case of someone like Mike Dean there is additional solid proof as well. His performance on Sunday in the game against Huddersfield was one of the poorest we've had this season and there have been many.
Let's look at what we have on Dean and what can/can't be proven.
From the FIF blog and other sources:

2005 - banned for supplying info to Arbitros - a tipping firm (TRUE: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2005/apr/08/newsstory.sport9 )

2006 - removed from FA Cup Final over concerns of bias towards Liverpool (TRUE: https://www.theguardian.com/football/2006/apr/24/newsstory.facup200506 )

2006 - extreme bias against Arsenal and Wenger initiated (SPECULATIVE: http://untold-arsenal.com/archives/1253 - https://www.101greatgoals.com/news/mike-dean-v-arsenal-really-fares/ - https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...Dean-is-Arsenals-least-favourite-referee.html

2008 - officiated most fixed final of recent years with Harry Redknapp victorious (UNPROVEN: no data to suggest any wrongdoing on the part of the referee)

2015 - Arsenal fans try to petition parliament over Dean (TRUE: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/f...an-Mike-Dean-from-refereeing-their-games.html )

(not FIF) 2015 - serially accused of over the top gestures (celebrations!) (? Attention seeking and a bit of a laugh https://www.101greatgoals.com/top-s...-5-premier-league-goal-celebrations-pictures/ - )

2016 - moved house so he could referee Liverpool and Everton games (? Could be true this article suggests he lives North Wales https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/36075347 )

2017 - suspicious betting patterns on Liverpool and Everton matches under Dean (as both referee and 4th official) (? No info on betting patterns but he was demoted after 2017 derby https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/sport/football/football-news/derby-ref-mike-dean-demoted-12472259 )

(not FIF) 2017 - demoted to EFL after criticism of performances in PL (TRUE: http://www.marca.com/futbol/premier-league/2017/01/18/587f3f5a46163f3e158b46a4.html )

2018 - SE Asian bookmaker links exposed and PGMOB exclude Dean from future matches involving Merseyside teams following revelations by Football is Fixed (? No evidence, Citation required)
 
That Dean listing isn't really very convincing. An early issue is strong, the removal from a cup final seems valid but not unknown, a demotion after a bad match or two but much of the rest is either wholly speculative or irrelevant (who cares if Arsenal fans started a petition - it doesn't prove anything).
 
Anyone know the odds on Swansea beating Stoke 2-0 and us beating saints 8-0...?
 
mat said:
Anyone know the odds on Swansea beating Stoke 2-0 and us beating saints 8-0...?
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It would more likely be 5-0 And 5-0. But as Southampton have the better Goals scored record, I think it is unlikely - especially as Southampton will park the bus from becoming to end of this game.
 
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