For those who booed when Elano was replaced

[Marvin]

I'm mot aware of any public criticism of elano from Hughes. he did say that Elano was upset that he wasn't getting games, but he understood the player's reaction to not playing.

There was a period when the press were constantly speculating, but that seems to have died down now. And the press have little knowledge or interest in MCFC. they either ignore us or ridicule us. having seen some of them on Sky's Sunday supplement, I'm surprised that any blue takes their opinions seriously.

These "journalists" reckon Robinho is the flop of the season. Paul wilson in the Sunday Observer reckoned Utd fans were singing "This is how it feels to be City, This is how it feels to be small, this is how it feels when you win no trophies at all" in the aftermath of the Hamburg defeat when they hadn't even played a game.

We're in no position to know, and in the absence of facts, is it wise to rely on the opinion of newspaper hacks who know and care very little for MCFC?

 

[bizzbo]

i will say i dont remember reading any direct attributed criticism before the TV interview. but in order to be sure it didnt exist, you'd have to trawl through the print copies at a library, because articles are removed from the online versions minute by minute. I've commented on stories on the times website on the morning they appear, gone back at lunchtime to see what other people have said only to find it's completely disappeared without a trace. This is especially true of any controversial articles or any that predict who will be sold and brought... which covers an awful lot of what is printed ;) like I say though, I really dont remember hughes coming out and saying 'he's a naughty boy' back in october.

 

[bizzbo]

I'm mot aware of any public criticism of elano from Hughes. he did say that Elano was upset that he wasn't getting games, but he understood the player's reaction to not playing.

There was a period when the press were constantly speculating, but that seems to have died down now. And the press have little knowledge or interest in MCFC. they either ignore us or ridicule us. having seen some of them on Sky's Sunday supplement, I'm surprised that any blue takes their opinions seriously.

These "journalists" reckon Robinho is the flop of the season. Paul wilson in the Sunday Observer reckoned Utd fans were singing "This is how it feels to be City, This is how it feels to be small, this is how it feels when you win no trophies at all" in the aftermath of the Hamburg defeat when they hadn't even played a game.

We're in no position to know, and in the absence of facts, is it wise to rely on the opinion of newspaper hacks who know and care very little for MCFC?

this was a long time ago, but the articles were very specific and not at all speculative or 'comment' pieces, although, they were unattributed.

 

[Bluemoon115]

I'm mot aware of any public criticism of elano from Hughes. he did say that Elano was upset that he wasn't getting games, but he understood the player's reaction to not playing.

There was a period when the press were constantly speculating, but that seems to have died down now. And the press have little knowledge or interest in MCFC. they either ignore us or ridicule us. having seen some of them on Sky's Sunday supplement, I'm surprised that any blue takes their opinions seriously.

These "journalists" reckon Robinho is the flop of the season. Paul wilson in the Sunday Observer reckoned Utd fans were singing "This is how it feels to be City, This is how it feels to be small, this is how it feels when you win no trophies at all" in the aftermath of the Hamburg defeat when they hadn't even played a game.

We're in no position to know, and in the absence of facts, is it wise to rely on the opinion of newspaper hacks who know and care very little for MCFC?

this was a long time ago, but the articles were very specific and not at all speculative or 'comment' pieces, although, they were unattributed.

Just ask yourself this though, why would we have not heard anything about these comments when the press have subsequently slated the club/Hughes/the brazillians?

It would be gold for them, but yet they havn't appeared, which would suggest that they never existed.

 

[bluemanc]

Whatever reason he came off, Im glad that at least Hughes knows how much the majority of City fans love seeing Elano playing. Dont forget that a certain times throughout the season it looked as if Elano may have been off either in Jan or in the summer. If City fans can in anyway influence Hughes to keep hold of him or mend their bridges then that's a good thing.

He came off because he was injured.

If City fans can in anyway influence Hughes to keep hold of him or mend their bridges then that's a good thing

He came off because he was injured,chanting abuse at a manager who takes a player off who has indicated he was injured & was hobbling shows what fuckwits & clueless about football they are.
The one's that watched the game on a stream need to "view full screen".
Did i mention the icepacks on his leg in the dressing room.

 

[bizzbo]

are you talking about direct quotes?

if so, yeah, i'd agree.

if you are talking about the unattributed 'views of the coaching staff', that's been repeated yet again in several papers this very week! no article on our club is complete without a reference to them

 

[Disturbance]

I'm mot aware of any public criticism of elano from Hughes. he did say that Elano was upset that he wasn't getting games, but he understood the player's reaction to not playing.

As I remember it it was criticism of Elano's performance after a match, it wasn't over the top but I thought it was out of order to single out one of our best players.

Elano and Hughes seem to have moved on since then but we'll see what happens when we have a fully fit squad again. MH has his 'favourites' IMO whereas I don't think you should drop players in good form.

The booing of the substitution was out of order as it certainly didn't help Gelson but at least it may make MH realise what the crowd are thinking.

 

[bluepeter62]

I have no doubt at all that the press was being briefed negative stories about Elano (and others) by someone on the coaching staff.

I also have no doubt that Elano has been left out of the squad or on the bench for sustained periods, more to teach him a lesson than for fitness or form reasons.

There seemed to be a thawing of relationships around January though, and I suspect that while neither likes the other, there is no major problem now. Simple case of Hughes not having a lot of trust or faith in Elano to get a job done, and Elano maybe realising that fighting the manager is not his best chance of remaining at the club.

Without any proof whatsoever! Its so easy posting such shite on a forum Moomba!

 

[bizzbo]

did you read the stories bluepeter? I dont see how you have any opinion on their provenance if you didnt.

 

[1.618034]

Knob heads one and all!

Those who booed that is...


James Ducker, The Times

With his team leading 3-2 and 15 minutes remaining, Hughes was heckled by large swaths of the City of Manchester Stadium for bringing off Elano, despite the Brazilian being visibly shattered and the manager wanting to bolster the midfield by introducing the more defensive-minded Gelson Fernandes.

It was a puzzling reaction in the extreme, with the City fans seemingly forgetful that Elano, like the rest of his team-mates, had expended enormous amounts of energy during the 2-1 victory at home to Hamburg in the Uefa Cup only three days earlier and that the midfield player had spent the ten minutes before being substituted yesterday motioning to the dugout to be taken off.

Richard Jolly, The Guardian

Yet it was apparent that Hughes's endorsement from the club chairman, Khaldoon Al Mubarak, is not sufficient for a section of the support. The two ­Brazilians are rather more secure in their places in the fans' affections and they provided a reminder of their considerable attributes with restorative displays.

When Stephen Ireland bent a cross around the West Brom defence, Robinho volleyed in the opening goal with a nonchalance that belied his inability to score in 2009. Elano, who has replaced his compatriot as City's penalty taker, managed a second goal in three days by drawing a foul from Jonas Olsson and converting from the spot in the aftermath of Chris Brunt's equaliser for West Brom.

Mark Ogden, Daily Telegraph

Yet in typical City fashion, the game could have ended as a 5-5 draw or, even worse, a 6-5 defeat had more defensive errors been capitalized on by either side. So Hughes's decision to replace a clearly exhausted Elano with holding midfielder Gelson Fernandes with sixteen minutes left to play should have been viewed as a wary manager attempting to bolt the back door and safeguard victory.

Thanks to Jack Pitt-Brooke of The Lonesome Death Of Roy Carroll (Great City Blog)

http://tldorc.blogspot.com/

 

[moomba]

Without any proof whatsoever! Its so easy posting such shite on a forum Moomba!

Even the most ardent Hughes defenders would concede that Hughes (or a member of his staff) was briefing the press about Elano (and others), many of them were praising him for it at the time (as you no doubt will when you open your eyes, realise it did actually happen and have to look for another defence).

 

[Bigga]

What saga? Elano had a fit of pique because he wasn't being selected and did an interview with Sky telling of his frustration at not playing. Hughes had a word and then said that it was resolved.

Now the only time I have ever seen it brought up is on forums like this by people guessing rather than from anything factual.

I don't believe that Hughes has ever left him out because of his attitude, but because of him preferring the 2 defensive midfielders and the form of Ireland. Now this is obviously open to debate whether he is right or wrong, but at the end of the day its his job on the line.

Personally I don't believe there is any feud between them. As for yesterday, I too thought it was the wrong substitution at the time. Now having reflected on it, I can see why he done it, because both Zabaleta and kmpany where also struggling. The alternative was to bring Petrov on and move Robinho to the right, who I thought at he time was also beginning to struggle having put in a shift throughout the game.

it's not quite factual, but even before the season had begun numerous reputable papers had reported that Hughes and his coaching staff had identified Elano as a problem charector, and a trouble maker. This was repeated ad infinitum in the telegraph, independant, times, guardian, before and after elano's disgraceful TV interview. I cant see anything else being behind this, given the number and extremely specific nature of the stories, for me it was clear that at least one person on the coaching staff was spreading this stuff about off the record, and it flatly contradicts Hughes public attempts to portray himself and elano in a chummy way (calling him, 'Ela', the ridiculous 'bless him' comment this weekend.

And you might like to consider the number of times that elano has been overlooked, and the players who have started ahead of him, how often he gets substituted, and how rarely he comes on as a sub when we have been behind in games. i'm not trying to apportion blame, but there is clearly something in all of this.

PMSL!!

I've been away for hours, but had I have been here during this 'discussion', I'd have said the exact same thing!

The trouble is, with this forum, you have to be ON IT to follow the events posted on here, cos if you're not at the time, people will just ask for the evidence/links to back up a well known incident!

I couldn't be bothered, either. Those that were here when it all kicked off(people calling Elano a tw@ for going to the papers/ saying what he said on TV(and misquoting what he said!)) know what happened.

If you can be bothered to look through the archives, BP62, it should still be around.

 

[bizzbo]

I agree pi/2, it was always gonna be reported this way, it was a perfectly reasonable tactical substitution for me....

but to me its a bit odd that hughes went out of his way to say he was protecting elano, using all these chummy phrases. it seems almost that he doesnt want to have to defend it as a purely tactical change... playing to the gallery, in a way.

if I am certain of one thing, it's that MH is very media aware. I'd like him better if I felt he was more of a straight shooter.

 

[bluepeter62]

Without any proof whatsoever! Its so easy posting such shite on a forum Moomba!

Even the most ardent Hughes defenders would concede that Hughes (or a member of his staff) was briefing the press about Elano (and others), many of them were praising him for it at the time (as you no doubt will when you open your eyes, realise it did actually happen and have to look for another defence).

Okay then give us some links with quotes?

You are the most negatve back stabbing fan I have ever seen on any City forum. The only thing that makes you happy is when we lose so you can post your anti City drivel.

 

[1.618034]

I agree pi/2, it was always gonna be reported this way, it was a perfectly reasonable tactical substitution for me....

but to me its a bit odd that hughes went out of his way to say he was protecting elano, using all these chummy phrases. it seems almost that he doesnt want to have to defend it as a purely tactical change... playing to the gallery, in a way.

if I am certain of one thing, it's that MH is very media aware. I'd like him better if I felt he was more of a straight shooter.

Eh?

Wrong number mate! Try Phi...

Straight shooter? Like who?

Fergie? No.
Wenger? No.
Benitez? Maybe?

Do I care? No.

 

[Disturbance]

Without any proof whatsoever! Its so easy posting such shite on a forum Moomba!

Even the most ardent Hughes defenders would concede that Hughes (or a member of his staff) was briefing the press about Elano (and others), many of them were praising him for it at the time (as you no doubt will when you open your eyes, realise it did actually happen and have to look for another defence).

Okay then give us some links with quotes?

You are the most negatve back stabbing fan I have ever seen on any City forum. The only thing that makes you happy is when we lose so you can post your anti City drivel.

By God you do post some utter shite but the above is really scraping the barrel even by your standards.

 

[bluepeter62]

What saga? Elano had a fit of pique because he wasn't being selected and did an interview with Sky telling of his frustration at not playing. Hughes had a word and then said that it was resolved.

Now the only time I have ever seen it brought up is on forums like this by people guessing rather than from anything factual.

I don't believe that Hughes has ever left him out because of his attitude, but because of him preferring the 2 defensive midfielders and the form of Ireland. Now this is obviously open to debate whether he is right or wrong, but at the end of the day its his job on the line.

Personally I don't believe there is any feud between them. As for yesterday, I too thought it was the wrong substitution at the time. Now having reflected on it, I can see why he done it, because both Zabaleta and kmpany where also struggling. The alternative was to bring Petrov on and move Robinho to the right, who I thought at he time was also beginning to struggle having put in a shift throughout the game.

it's not quite factual, but even before the season had begun numerous reputable papers had reported that Hughes and his coaching staff had identified Elano as a problem charector, and a trouble maker. This was repeated ad infinitum in the telegraph, independant, times, guardian, before and after elano's disgraceful TV interview. I cant see anything else being behind this, given the number and extremely specific nature of the stories, for me it was clear that at least one person on the coaching staff was spreading this stuff about off the record, and it flatly contradicts Hughes public attempts to portray himself and elano in a chummy way (calling him, 'Ela', the ridiculous 'bless him' comment this weekend.

And you might like to consider the number of times that elano has been overlooked, and the players who have started ahead of him, how often he gets substituted, and how rarely he comes on as a sub when we have been behind in games. i'm not trying to apportion blame, but there is clearly something in all of this.

PMSL!!

I've been away for hours, but had I have been here during this 'discussion', I'd have said the exact same thing!

The trouble is, with this forum, you have to be ON IT to follow the events posted on here, cos if you're not at the time, people will just ask for the evidence/links to back up a well known incident!

I couldn't be bothered, either. Those that were here when it all kicked off(people calling Elano a tw@ for going to the papers/ saying what he said on TV(and misquoting what he said!)) know what happened.

If you can be bothered to look through the archives, BP62, it should still be around.

Its amazing how people like you are always right, but can't be bothered to come up with any facts because it happened so long ago.

The reason why you can't find its because it is untrue. Now that's a fact!

 

[bluepeter62]

Without any proof whatsoever! Its so easy posting such shite on a forum Moomba!

Even the most ardent Hughes defenders would concede that Hughes (or a member of his staff) was briefing the press about Elano (and others), many of them were praising him for it at the time (as you no doubt will when you open your eyes, realise it did actually happen and have to look for another defence).

Okay then give us some links with quotes?

You are the most negatve back stabbing fan I have ever seen on any City forum. The only thing that makes you happy is when we lose so you can post your anti City drivel.

By God you do post some utter shite but the above is really scraping the barrel even by your standards.

Why? Because I tell the truth about your boyfriend?

 

[Disturbance]

Why? Because I tell the truth about your boyfriend?

LOL, what an odious little prick you are.

I've never even met Moomba but he/she is one of the best posters on here who's views I usually agree with. You on the other hand never post anything of value but it is funny winding you up and watching your tantrums.

 

[bluepeter62]

Why? Because I tell the truth about your boyfriend?

LOL, what an odious little prick you are.

I've never even met Moomba but he/she is one of the best posters on here who's views I usually agree with. You on the other hand never post anything of value but it is funny winding you up and watching your tantrums.

You winding me up? Ha ha ha!!