For those who think National Healthcare is a bad idea...

[Bill Walker]

That still doesn't change the fact that insurance companies make decisions on who lives and who dies. They make these decisions based on profits not people's health. Getting sick or having a sick child shouldn't ruin you financially.

But so does the NHS.
My MILs operation was put back and her aortic aneurysm burst, killing her outright.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

But so does the NHS.
My MILs operation was put back and her aortic aneurysm burst, killing her outright.

Sorry about your MIL, but how do you it was a decision based on costs?

If you meant that they make decisions about who lives and who dies, well then yes, unfortunately that is the nature of medicine sometimes. Not just because they have to manage limited resources.

E. g. decisions about who is the most viable organ recipient, or whether to intervene and separate conjoined twins, saving one life at the expense of another.

But clinicians and medical ethics boards are better placed to make patient centred decisions than profit focused insurance companies.

Financial, yes. Profit, no. The NHS doesn't generate profits, at least not for itself.

 

[Bill Walker]

Sorry about your MIL, but how do you it was a decision based on costs?

If you meant that they make decisions about who lives and who dies, well then yes, unfortunately that is the nature of medicine sometimes. Not just because they have to manage limited resources.

E. g. decisions about who is the most viable organ recipient, or whether to intervene and separate conjoined twins, saving one life at the expense of another.

But clinicians and medical ethics boards are better placed to make patient centred decisions than profit focused insurance companies.

Financial, yes. Profit, no. The NHS doesn't generate profits, at least not for itself.

If you say so....

All I know is that if she'd had private medical insurance she would have been operated on immediately. And maybe still be alive.

I support public healhcare but the NHS is run very badly and doesn't work for everyone.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

If you say so....

All I know is that if she'd had private medical insurance she would have been operated on immediately. And maybe still be alive.

I support public healhcare but the NHS is run very badly and doesn't work for everyone.

Well it's not my just opinion, it's self evident, as emotionally painful that maybe for anyone who has lost a loved because of a decision didn't go in their favour.

I'm not saying you can't know that it was only based on cost. It's not my place to challenge you on it, it was just a question.

Medical professionals have to balance best interests of the patient against resource issues and best interests of other patients or future patients.

I'm not arguing that hospital doctors always exercise the right judgment and make the best decision 100% of the time.

I don't imagine there are many doctors that enjoy making the tough decisions or actively want to play god.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

What about hospitals like NYU that insist you pay up front and you sort out your insurance yourself?

What about hospitals like NYU that insist you pay up front and you sort out your insurance yourself?

If you walk into an Emergency Room with an emergent medical condition, you get treated.

There are Doctor’s Offices that need insurance cards before treatment, too.

 

[Vicious111]

The greatest social institution the world has ever known.

Too many Daily Mail consuming Tory voting to gammon fuckwits nowadays happy to vote for privately educated, fox hunting bottomfeeders who are sabotaging it for their own private gains.

When the NHS ends, which it will if people keep voting in arseholes, this country will have finally lost its identity.

 

[BlueMoonAcrossThePond]

The greatest social institution the world has ever known.

Too many Daily Mail consuming Tory voting to gammon fuckwits nowadays happy to vote for privately educated, fox hunting bottomfeeders who are sabotaging it for their own private gains.

When the NHS ends, which it will if people keep voting in arseholes, this country will have finally lost its identity.

It could be much worse... you could live in the USA.

 

[Fred_Quimby]

What am I going on about? The legislation that is now passing through Parliament.

It might be treasured to you as much as the idea of of fee healthcare is treasured by me, but it's on it's way out.

Healthcare in the UK is being privatised. The legislation is now passing through parliament that will rid the government of its obligation to provide a centrally organised heath system, a system that has been in place since 1948, and will divest it's obligations to locally run areas, managed largely by American healthcare companies, and has been a condition of our membership of the EU.

They will the have autonomy to decide how their money is spent, without acts of parliament snapping at their heals, and you can bet your bottom dollar they will take their profit before they consider leaking bowels or painful hips that need replacing.

Don't be fooled by NHS badges being worn by tory ministers or letters arriving with the NHS logo on show, we are now entering the age of privatised healthcare, and as I said, take an interest in the Health and Care bill now passing through the House of Commons.

The tories are in charge, and they don't give a shit about the NHS. They've been wined and dined by private healthcare companies for decades and their donations to the tory party are finally paying off.

I don't know how I can be more specific, but no matter how 'treasured' you feel about the NHS, it's on its way out.

You are dead correct here. The crime is that it is not being reported and most people don’t have a clue that it is going on. We do not have a ‘free’ press in this country. Take today’s papers for example. All leading with ‘breifings’ from No 10. Priti Patel, end mass jabs, treat covid like flu. All this lot straight from no 10.

 

[Vicious111]

It could be much worse... you could live in the USA.

So what? We should allow these parasites to continue to sabotage it for profit on the basis that America is worse? Who gives a shit about America. We don't live there. But if we allow to NHS to collapse, which seems to be the current trajectory, then we will become more like them.

I do find the NHS needs to get tough though as it's too susceptible to abuse. From missing appointments to people turning up at A&E's with a headache, you wouldn't get that when it's costing you $500a pop.

 

[I'm With Stupid]

The main problem with the NHS is that most of the time it's run by Tories. Unfortunately, some people look at that fact and think it must be a problem with the NHS rather than a problem with Tories.