For those who think National Healthcare is a bad idea...

[NPBlue]

What are you on about? Where in my post did I mention Brexit, the Tories or what’s happening to the NHS. I just said it’s “treasured”, as in it’s treasured to me

What am I going on about? The legislation that is now passing through Parliament.

It might be treasured to you as much as the idea of of fee healthcare is treasured by me, but it's on it's way out.

Healthcare in the UK is being privatised. The legislation is now passing through parliament that will rid the government of its obligation to provide a centrally organised heath system, a system that has been in place since 1948, and will divest it's obligations to locally run areas, managed largely by American healthcare companies, and has been a condition of our membership of the EU.

They will the have autonomy to decide how their money is spent, without acts of parliament snapping at their heals, and you can bet your bottom dollar they will take their profit before they consider leaking bowels or painful hips that need replacing.

Don't be fooled by NHS badges being worn by tory ministers or letters arriving with the NHS logo on show, we are now entering the age of privatised healthcare, and as I said, take an interest in the Health and Care bill now passing through the House of Commons.

The tories are in charge, and they don't give a shit about the NHS. They've been wined and dined by private healthcare companies for decades and their donations to the tory party are finally paying off.

I don't know how I can be more specific, but no matter how 'treasured' you feel about the NHS, it's on its way out.

 

[Octavian]

What am I going on about? The legislation that is now passing through Parliament.

It might be treasured to you as much as the idea of of fee healthcare is treasured by me, but it's on it's way out.

Healthcare in the UK is being privatised. The legislation is now passing through parliament that will rid the government of its obligation to provide a centrally organised heath system, a system that has been in place since 1948, and will divest it's obligations to locally run areas, managed largely by American healthcare companies, and has been a condition of our membership of the EU.

They will the have autonomy to decide how their money is spent, without acts of parliament snapping at their heals, and you can bet your bottom dollar they will take their profit before they consider leaking bowels or painful hips that need replacing.

Don't be fooled by NHS badges being worn by tory ministers or letters arriving with the NHS logo on show, we are now entering the age of privatised healthcare, and as I said, take an interest in the Health and Care bill now passing through the House of Commons.

The tories are in charge, and they don't give a shit about the NHS. They've been wined and dined by private healthcare companies for decades and their donations to the tory party are finally paying off.

I don't know how I can be more specific, but no matter how 'treasured' you feel about the NHS, it's on its way out.

You must have mistaken me for someone making a case for this government.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

They will the have autonomy to decide how their money is spent, without acts of parliament snapping at their heals, and you can bet your bottom dollar they will take their profit before they consider leaking bowels or painful hips that need replacing.

Punny stuff! ;-)

 

[NPBlue]

You must have mistaken me for someone making a case for this government.

No, not at all. I thought you were rightly proud of the NHS, but didn't understand what is happening to it.

 

[Octavian]

No, not at all. I thought you were rightly proud of the NHS, but didn't understand what is happening to it.

The context of my reply was in relation to the US, it had nothing to do with “what was happening to it”… so no idea where you got that from.

 

[NPBlue]

The context of my reply was in relation to the US, it had nothing to do with “what was happening to it”… so no idea where you got that from.

Sorry, it was Vic who said the NHS was a treasured institution that I initially replied to, or so I thought.

Apologies for the confusion.

 

[goalmole]

What am I going on about? The legislation that is now passing through Parliament.

It might be treasured to you as much as the idea of of fee healthcare is treasured by me, but it's on it's way out.

Healthcare in the UK is being privatised. The legislation is now passing through parliament that will rid the government of its obligation to provide a centrally organised heath system, a system that has been in place since 1948, and will divest it's obligations to locally run areas, managed largely by American healthcare companies, and has been a condition of our membership of the EU.

They will the have autonomy to decide how their money is spent, without acts of parliament snapping at their heals, and you can bet your bottom dollar they will take their profit before they consider leaking bowels or painful hips that need replacing.

Don't be fooled by NHS badges being worn by tory ministers or letters arriving with the NHS logo on show, we are now entering the age of privatised healthcare, and as I said, take an interest in the Health and Care bill now passing through the House of Commons.

The tories are in charge, and they don't give a shit about the NHS. They've been wined and dined by private healthcare companies for decades and their donations to the tory party are finally paying off.

I don't know how I can be more specific, but no matter how 'treasured' you feel about the NHS, it's on its way out.

A question for the more knowledgeable on here.
Would the Labour Party reverse the privatisation if it was voted into power?

 

[the blue panther]

A question for the more knowledgeable on here.
Would the Labour Party reverse the privatisation if it was voted into power?

Is that the same labour party that invited billions of private funding in during the Blair/Brown years?
Once the horse bolts, they would be too scared to bring it back fully into the public domain unless they returned to their socialist roots. But, as they tried something like that, with disastrous consequences at an election not so long ago, the answer to your question is, sadly, "no," imho.
Anyway, how's the 40 new hospitals coming on? Funny how the tories can afford to pay for them - but, dreams cost nothing, don't they.

 

[denislawsbackheel]

That’s a different thing, IMHO.

What you’re talking about is “For Profit” healthcare, and I agree…it is broken!

The good thing, though, is that most insurance plans have agreements as to what they will pay for treatments.

As you know, you see a “bill” for $2,000 from the hospital went to your Healthcare Insurance Co., they removed a bunch of charges they and the provider have agreed are NOT applicable to them, then they look at your deductible.

Let’s say the $2,000 turns into $1,000. Then, we go down 2 paths:

1) Insurer says your deductible is $1,000 or higher and has NOT been met, so you owe the $1,000 and it is applied towards the deductible.

2) Insurer says your deductible has been met, so you owe “only” your portion of the $1,000 that is agreed in your Health Care Policy (usually 20%), so you owe the Provider $200!

The questions are:

How much did the actual care cost?

How much does the middleman insurer make on this deal?

Why can an insurer remove significant sums from the providers bill, but someone WITHOUT insurance would be responsible for the FULL $2,000, rather than a percentage of only $1,000?

Certainly, medical care is not considered a “right” in the U.S., but anyone can walk into an ER and get the care they need. From there, the problems can sometimes begin.

There is MUCH wrong with American healthcare, but I’d much rather get really sick in America than the UK!

What about hospitals like NYU that insist you pay up front and you sort out your insurance yourself?

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

What about hospitals like NYU that insist you pay up front and you sort out your insurance yourself?

Patch yourself with gauze and sticky tape and get on the subway to New Jersey?