Forced Marriages

[Q8-Blue]

Ok just a couple of details, there is a difference between arranged marriages and forced marriages. Usually in Islamic countries marriages are arranged and when i mean arranged i don't mean that they're picked at age 5 or 6 but when a girl between is lets say 19 and above she would get suitors and the girl would get to pick one as a potential husband. This is what happens in a lot of countries in the Middle East. The family usually sit down and chat and the two potential couples (closely supervised) would also get to know each other. If both bride and groom are comfortable with each other then they would get married.

According to Islamic law if the girl doesn't want the guy then it is illegal for her parents to marry her by force off to him, this is a standard rule set in the Quran and no respectable and reputable Islamic cleric would rule against this rule.
This rule is usually ignored especially in more impoverished Islamic countries like Pakistan or Bangladesh where the family forces a woman to marry for pure economic need and they disregard the young woman's wishes.

Just wanted to clear some misconceptions :)

 

[Plato]

It appears i'm in a minority here, but my views still remain, despite some interesting points raised by you good folks. I still think that if thats the way in which someone wants to raise their child, then let them. Banning forced marriages, in my opinion, is a step too far.

So if I wish to raise my child a racist or murderer or modern day slave driver then that should also be ok yeah?

In terms of equality, yes, but in terms of humanity, i couldn't encourage that. I think you might have misjudged my mentallity on this issue, i'm not for or against forced marriages, i really have no opinion on the matter, as i'm not educated enough on the matter, but to promote equality, we should allow such procedings to take place, and not try and stop people taking part in what they believe in, i don't like it when other countries do such things, so i don't want Britain to do it either. In reguards with how you raise your child, ultimately, who could stop you? probably no one, even with all the laws we have in place, judging by the fact that racism still exists, people are still raising their children in such ways, and eliminating this problem and others like capital punishment and poverty, in my opinion, is a greater priority than banning forced marriages.

 

[2sheikhs]

Well we still allow men to force women to cover their faces in this country so this law on forced marriage is a complete non starter.

 

[Ducado]

It appears i'm in a minority here, but my views still remain, despite some interesting points raised by you good folks. I still think that if thats the way in which someone wants to raise their child, then let them. Banning forced marriages, in my opinion, is a step too far.

So if I wish to raise my child a racist or murderer or modern day slave driver then that should also be ok yeah?

In terms of equality, yes, but in terms of humanity, i couldn't encourage that. I think you might have misjudged my mentallity on this issue, i'm not for or against forced marriages, i really have no opinion on the matter, as i'm not educated enough on the matter, but to promote equality, we should allow such procedings to take place, and not try and stop people taking part in what they believe in, i don't like it when other countries do such things, so i don't want Britain to do it either. In reguards with how you raise your child, ultimately, who could stop you? probably no one, even with all the laws we have in place, judging by the fact that racism still exists, people are still raising their children in such ways, and eliminating this problem and others like capital punishment and poverty, in my opinion, is a greater priority than banning forced marriages.

So in terms of equality you would allow a young girl to be forced to marry a much older man against her will? Again I must ask you are you getting arranged and forced marriages mixed up? I really can't beleive that anyone in the right mind would think this should be legal practice just because it's someone else's culture

 

[Damocles]

It appears i'm in a minority here, but my views still remain, despite some interesting points raised by you good folks. I still think that if thats the way in which someone wants to raise their child, then let them. Banning forced marriages, in my opinion, is a step too far.

So if I wish to raise my child a racist or murderer or modern day slave driver then that should also be ok yeah?

In terms of equality, yes, but in terms of humanity, i couldn't encourage that. I think you might have misjudged my mentallity on this issue, i'm not for or against forced marriages, i really have no opinion on the matter, as i'm not educated enough on the matter, but to promote equality, we should allow such procedings to take place, and not try and stop people taking part in what they believe in, i don't like it when other countries do such things, so i don't want Britain to do it either. In reguards with how you raise your child, ultimately, who could stop you? probably no one, even with all the laws we have in place, judging by the fact that racism still exists, people are still raising their children in such ways, and eliminating this problem and others like capital punishment and poverty, in my opinion, is a greater priority than banning forced marriages.

 

[Plato]

So if I wish to raise my child a racist or murderer or modern day slave driver then that should also be ok yeah?

In terms of equality, yes, but in terms of humanity, i couldn't encourage that. I think you might have misjudged my mentallity on this issue, i'm not for or against forced marriages, i really have no opinion on the matter, as i'm not educated enough on the matter, but to promote equality, we should allow such procedings to take place, and not try and stop people taking part in what they believe in, i don't like it when other countries do such things, so i don't want Britain to do it either. In reguards with how you raise your child, ultimately, who could stop you? probably no one, even with all the laws we have in place, judging by the fact that racism still exists, people are still raising their children in such ways, and eliminating this problem and others like capital punishment and poverty, in my opinion, is a greater priority than banning forced marriages.

So in terms of equality you would allow a young girl to be forced to marry a much older man against her will? Again I must ask you are you getting arranged and forced marriages mixed up? I really can't beleive that anyone in the right mind would think this should be legal practice just because it's someone else's culture

Yes only in terms of equality. No i understand the difference, but I could not say to someone you cannot live that way, you must do it this way, that is not fair. Let people live how they wish. Now in terms of humanity, i could not agree that it is right to let this happen, but i cannot allow myself to tell someone that it is wrong to do this, because this may seem normal to them, they may think they're doing the right thing for the child and family.

However, if they know that they are doing this for evil purposes, then it is wrong, and should be stopped, but i'm of the opinion, that the people who are involved in such practices, genuinenly believe they are doing good, and i cannot argue with that. The practitioners of this who are doing it for economic purpose only or for other negative purposes, are wrong, and measures should be taken against this happening, but to outlaw and ban the whole event from occuring across Britain is unfair on the people who believe it to be for the greater good, by this i mean by marrying the daughter, allowing her to live a good standard of living, as opposed to a live of absolute poverty, but thats a whole different debate!<br /><br />-- Sun Dec 11, 2011 11:04 pm --<br /><br />

So if I wish to raise my child a racist or murderer or modern day slave driver then that should also be ok yeah?

In terms of equality, yes, but in terms of humanity, i couldn't encourage that. I think you might have misjudged my mentallity on this issue, i'm not for or against forced marriages, i really have no opinion on the matter, as i'm not educated enough on the matter, but to promote equality, we should allow such procedings to take place, and not try and stop people taking part in what they believe in, i don't like it when other countries do such things, so i don't want Britain to do it either. In reguards with how you raise your child, ultimately, who could stop you? probably no one, even with all the laws we have in place, judging by the fact that racism still exists, people are still raising their children in such ways, and eliminating this problem and others like capital punishment and poverty, in my opinion, is a greater priority than banning forced marriages.

I don't think my views are stupid? Perhaps you don't agree with it, like the majority appear so, but to label me stupid for my opinion on such a matter is unnessesary and offensive.

I'm not trying to be provokative or offend anyone, and i don't think my posts are coming across in that way, but i certainly sense that i am in the minority. Please respect my opinion if you want me to respect yours.

 

[SWP's back]

So if I wish to raise my child a racist or murderer or modern day slave driver then that should also be ok yeah?

In terms of equality, yes, but in terms of humanity, i couldn't encourage that. I think you might have misjudged my mentallity on this issue, i'm not for or against forced marriages, i really have no opinion on the matter, as i'm not educated enough on the matter, but to promote equality, we should allow such procedings to take place, and not try and stop people taking part in what they believe in, i don't like it when other countries do such things, so i don't want Britain to do it either. In reguards with how you raise your child, ultimately, who could stop you? probably no one, even with all the laws we have in place, judging by the fact that racism still exists, people are still raising their children in such ways, and eliminating this problem and others like capital punishment and poverty, in my opinion, is a greater priority than banning forced marriages.

I'm not feeding it anymore.

 

[Ducado]

To be fair there are opinions and opinions, your opinion appears to tolerate and accept slavery, which is abhorrent to most people on this forum (and I guess in the country as a whole).

So if you come on here espousing those opinions don't be surprised if you get stick, and don't use the culture and equality argument it does not wash, like I said before in some countries it's perfectly acceptable to stone women to death for adultery are you saying we should allow that here?

 

[SWP's back]

To be fair there are opinions and opinions, your opinion appears to tolerate and accept slavery, which is abhorrent to most people on this forum (and I guess in the country as a whole).

So if you come on here espousing those opinions don't be surprised if you get stick, and don't use the culture and equality argument it does not wash, like I said before in some countries it's perfectly acceptable to stone women to death for adultery are you saying we should allow that here?

Course we should you intolerant buffoon.

 

[Fame Monster]

To be fair there are opinions and opinions, your opinion appears to tolerate and accept slavery, which is abhorrent to most people on this forum (and I guess in the country as a whole).

So if you come on here espousing those opinions don't be surprised if you get stick, and don't use the culture and equality argument it does not wash, like I said before in some countries it's perfectly acceptable to stone women to death for adultery are you saying we should allow that here?

Why is your opinion better than his?

And also, is it not your job to prevent him from getting 'stick'?