Forget Recriminations, how do we sort this mess out?

[u2fme2]

if i had the answers i wouldnt be sat here

 

[BigTony]

I think we just need to role our sleeves up and get stuck into the bastards whoever we're playing, if we do that the goals will come.

The amount of times we just sit off and let teams come at us is just way to much for my liking.

 

[fbloke]

Tolm'

Mourinho is the same as Torres IMHO.

The board have to set precedents now, and one of them is that City are bigger than any one person, and wont wait, and pray that we will be honoured by their presence.

We walked away from Torres and in doing so looked a stronger club within the sport.

We may well have already said such things to Mourinho as he is a footballing whore of the highest order, and I for one don't want him.

Maybe the board see it differently but then again maybe not?

 

[Eastlands90]

There has been a lot of shit written about this one game but that shouldn't surprise anyone. Birmingham is a very tough place to go and we're disappointed we didn't win after twice taking the lead. We should have had a penalty and on a pitch that just wasn't suited to us we played well at times and had Vieira not given away a silly penalty we'd all be talking about a brilliant away victory. Those are the margins we're dealing with.

There is concern about set-piece defending and giving away silly fouls but I'm sure Mancini will sort these out.

I think there are a few reasons why. There are some on here who would give the guy claiming to be Brazilian the freedom of Manchester, merely because he plays for City, because it's a joke he plays for City still, and thus because it's a joke, it actually becomes a literal joke, where it's fashionable and 'funny' to defend him on the basis of 'oh we have a song about him now'. And then there are others who if we conceed a single goal in any game, and far too critical. I sense, the truth is, there are a lot of genuine honest fans out there, and on Bluemoon, who deep down, know this season, has been up and down when put into context, yes (im sorry for those who fail to accept this point) how much money we have spent to improve on our overall league position at the end of the season, the way we have set up in some games, and the selection of one or two players in the squad over others.

The reason why some genuine critical thoughts have been brushed under the carpet for the majority of the season, is because we have remained in the top 3 mix throughout. Of course, I am giving Mancini credit for this, because I've acknowledged many times, particularly prior to xmas, he was working on developing us into a more resolute, disciplined side with a fear of losing. We were developing momentum, being able to play before teams and make a statement, and play after teams and still stay in the mix.

But there have been other concerns, sometimes the playing style being far too narrow against teams with a lack of pace at the back, against teams coming to park the bus, and the laws of average say, you can't continue to keep winning games, on a low 'clear cut' chance created ratio. We have had lots of possession, and lots of powder puff half chances in games, but only in a handful of games, have we really created 6 or 7 clinical clear cut chances. We have relied far too often on moments of individual quality. We need to score more team goals.

I sense, the two cup games away (with those who turned up to West Brom still remembering the way we threw away the opportunity to go further in that competition) have started to make people take a bit more notice of this 'momentum thing'. Because, of course we have been in the title mix, whether people liked to admit it of not. That's not arrogance. That's the truth. So fans are asking them, is there momentum at the moment, in terms of progression on the field of play, not just results, but performances, and player selection. And are we likely to do what we did after the Everton defeat (go on a 4 winning game run etc) or are we likely to do what all of those on hear who are shitting themselves daily about, and that is 'be typical city again'. It's that mentality syndrome which is one of the problems. So its very difficult at times to weed out the genuine concerns, the concerns based on the 'typical city let us down mentality' and the 'concerns but met well with the right positives'.

When fans start to look over their shoulder (Spurs) instead of ahead (Utd), then of course, whatever the real target was, they rightly will consider some of the other concerns, which were brushed under the carpet a while back. Patience is key, but at the same time, being honest on here, and discussing genuine positives and negatives, is fair.

With a fear of losing, yes, but parking the bus in front of the goal after spending 300 mil pounds (at least) on players and not have them winning against big teams (let alone small teams) is ridiculous. The Sheikh should take note as maybe the wrong person is spending his oil dollars.

 

[Mancio]

I think there are a few reasons why. There are some on here who would give the guy claiming to be Brazilian the freedom of Manchester, merely because he plays for City, because it's a joke he plays for City still, and thus because it's a joke, it actually becomes a literal joke, where it's fashionable and 'funny' to defend him on the basis of 'oh we have a song about him now'. And then there are others who if we conceed a single goal in any game, and far too critical. I sense, the truth is, there are a lot of genuine honest fans out there, and on Bluemoon, who deep down, know this season, has been up and down when put into context, yes (im sorry for those who fail to accept this point) how much money we have spent to improve on our overall league position at the end of the season, the way we have set up in some games, and the selection of one or two players in the squad over others.

The reason why some genuine critical thoughts have been brushed under the carpet for the majority of the season, is because we have remained in the top 3 mix throughout. Of course, I am giving Mancini credit for this, because I've acknowledged many times, particularly prior to xmas, he was working on developing us into a more resolute, disciplined side with a fear of losing. We were developing momentum, being able to play before teams and make a statement, and play after teams and still stay in the mix.

But there have been other concerns, sometimes the playing style being far too narrow against teams with a lack of pace at the back, against teams coming to park the bus, and the laws of average say, you can't continue to keep winning games, on a low 'clear cut' chance created ratio. We have had lots of possession, and lots of powder puff half chances in games, but only in a handful of games, have we really created 6 or 7 clinical clear cut chances. We have relied far too often on moments of individual quality. We need to score more team goals.

I sense, the two cup games away (with those who turned up to West Brom still remembering the way we threw away the opportunity to go further in that competition) have started to make people take a bit more notice of this 'momentum thing'. Because, of course we have been in the title mix, whether people liked to admit it of not. That's not arrogance. That's the truth. So fans are asking them, is there momentum at the moment, in terms of progression on the field of play, not just results, but performances, and player selection. And are we likely to do what we did after the Everton defeat (go on a 4 winning game run etc) or are we likely to do what all of those on hear who are shitting themselves daily about, and that is 'be typical city again'. It's that mentality syndrome which is one of the problems. So its very difficult at times to weed out the genuine concerns, the concerns based on the 'typical city let us down mentality' and the 'concerns but met well with the right positives'.

When fans start to look over their shoulder (Spurs) instead of ahead (Utd), then of course, whatever the real target was, they rightly will consider some of the other concerns, which were brushed under the carpet a while back. Patience is key, but at the same time, being honest on here, and discussing genuine positives and negatives, is fair.

With a fear of losing, yes, but parking the bus in front of the goal after spending 300 mil pounds (at least) on players and not have them winning against big teams (let alone small teams) is ridiculous. The Sheikh should take note as maybe the wrong person is spending his oil dollars.

or , maybe , the owner know the wrong person was spending his oil dollars buying the likes of bridge , santa cruz , lescott , given , bellamy , adebayor etc

 

[jay_mcfc]

I think there are a few reasons why. There are some on here who would give the guy claiming to be Brazilian the freedom of Manchester, merely because he plays for City, because it's a joke he plays for City still, and thus because it's a joke, it actually becomes a literal joke, where it's fashionable and 'funny' to defend him on the basis of 'oh we have a song about him now'. And then there are others who if we conceed a single goal in any game, and far too critical. I sense, the truth is, there are a lot of genuine honest fans out there, and on Bluemoon, who deep down, know this season, has been up and down when put into context, yes (im sorry for those who fail to accept this point) how much money we have spent to improve on our overall league position at the end of the season, the way we have set up in some games, and the selection of one or two players in the squad over others.

The reason why some genuine critical thoughts have been brushed under the carpet for the majority of the season, is because we have remained in the top 3 mix throughout. Of course, I am giving Mancini credit for this, because I've acknowledged many times, particularly prior to xmas, he was working on developing us into a more resolute, disciplined side with a fear of losing. We were developing momentum, being able to play before teams and make a statement, and play after teams and still stay in the mix.

But there have been other concerns, sometimes the playing style being far too narrow against teams with a lack of pace at the back, against teams coming to park the bus, and the laws of average say, you can't continue to keep winning games, on a low 'clear cut' chance created ratio. We have had lots of possession, and lots of powder puff half chances in games, but only in a handful of games, have we really created 6 or 7 clinical clear cut chances. We have relied far too often on moments of individual quality. We need to score more team goals.

I sense, the two cup games away (with those who turned up to West Brom still remembering the way we threw away the opportunity to go further in that competition) have started to make people take a bit more notice of this 'momentum thing'. Because, of course we have been in the title mix, whether people liked to admit it of not. That's not arrogance. That's the truth. So fans are asking them, is there momentum at the moment, in terms of progression on the field of play, not just results, but performances, and player selection. And are we likely to do what we did after the Everton defeat (go on a 4 winning game run etc) or are we likely to do what all of those on hear who are shitting themselves daily about, and that is 'be typical city again'. It's that mentality syndrome which is one of the problems. So its very difficult at times to weed out the genuine concerns, the concerns based on the 'typical city let us down mentality' and the 'concerns but met well with the right positives'.

When fans start to look over their shoulder (Spurs) instead of ahead (Utd), then of course, whatever the real target was, they rightly will consider some of the other concerns, which were brushed under the carpet a while back. Patience is key, but at the same time, being honest on here, and discussing genuine positives and negatives, is fair.

Great post and not one I can find many flaws in. Progression hasn't quite come as quickly as we all would have liked and that in some way is down to the players we've had on the pitch or on the bench. It seems crazy to me that after spending so much money we are still well short in some areas and even crazier when you think a transfer window has just been and gone with us close to the top and yet we weakened the squad rather than improved. It's full on bonkers when you think Vieira and Jo are getting far too many minutes whilst Milner, Barry and Toure are starting games. If you throw in the lack of form of the likes of Kolorov, Boateng and Hart and injuries to a few others then it all doesn't make very good reading. When you look at it like that you can see why things have stalled somewhat and I guess the credentials of the manager are going to be seen in the next couple of months. He might well need another transfer window but there's only so many of those one club should need.

If we take a step back though and look at the league you have to say we're doing pretty well. 3 points behind Arsenal and ahead of Spurs and Chelsea doesn't exactly say we're failing. Had United lost maybe 2/3 of their games which would be expected at this stage of the season then we'd be right back in it. United have been totally ruthless this season and it is that kind of mentality that you cannot buy no matter how rich your owners are.

a fear of losing, yes, but parking the bus in front of the goal after spending 300 mil pounds (at least) on players and not have them winning against big teams (let alone small teams) is ridiculous. The Sheikh should take note as maybe the wrong person is spending his oil dollars.

Do me a favour mate, stop listening to the media and Andy Gray! Keeping clean sheets and drawing with our rivals isn't what has slowed this season down.

 

[hgblue]

Tolm'

Mourinho is the same as Torres IMHO.

The board have to set precedents now, and one of them is that City are bigger than any one person, and wont wait, and pray that we will be honoured by their presence.

We walked away from Torres and in doing so looked a stronger club within the sport.

We may well have already said such things to Mourinho as he is a footballing whore of the highest order, and I for one don't want him.

Maybe the board see it differently but then again maybe not?

Looking a stronger club within the sport means precisely fuck all to me. We would have been a stronger team on the pitch with Torres than we are without him, and we would be a stronger team with Mourinho than we are without him. Bottom line is, that's all I care about. Sending messages and taking the moral high ground is for losers.

 

[fbloke]

Tolm'

Mourinho is the same as Torres IMHO.

The board have to set precedents now, and one of them is that City are bigger than any one person, and wont wait, and pray that we will be honoured by their presence.

We walked away from Torres and in doing so looked a stronger club within the sport.

We may well have already said such things to Mourinho as he is a footballing whore of the highest order, and I for one don't want him.

Maybe the board see it differently but then again maybe not?

Looking a stronger club within the sport means precisely fuck all to me. We would have been a stronger team on the pitch with Torres than we are without him, and we would be a stronger team with Mourinho than we are without him. Bottom line is, that's all I care about. Sending messages and taking the moral high ground is for losers.

If you think allowing players to be the focus, and offering them power by proving the club will do anything to appease them leads to a stronger team you are wrong.

Its not about moral high ground, and doing anything to capture a player or indeed manager puts them in control.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Tolm'

Mourinho is the same as Torres IMHO.

The board have to set precedents now, and one of them is that City are bigger than any one person, and wont wait, and pray that we will be honoured by their presence.

We walked away from Torres and in doing so looked a stronger club within the sport.

We may well have already said such things to Mourinho as he is a footballing whore of the highest order, and I for one don't want him.

Maybe the board see it differently but then again maybe not?

Looking a stronger club within the sport means precisely fuck all to me. We would have been a stronger team on the pitch with Torres than we are without him, and we would be a stronger team with Mourinho than we are without him. Bottom line is, that's all I care about. Sending messages and taking the moral high ground is for losers.

Fbloke, however unpalatable it may be for many City supporters, we would appear to the entire footballing world as a stronger club for having Mourinho at the helm.

Respect from outsiders has brought us fook all for 35 years and counting.

Remember when we were everyone's favourite team?

I understand where you are coming from re Torres, but it is a slightly different matter.

There are no fitness issues to contend with a manager.

Torres cost £50m BEFORE wages. Mourinho would not doubt 'only' cost that over four years?

Sometimes it is being in the right place at the right time.

If Jose's star is somewhat dimmed due to not delivering La Liga and Champs League this season, he will have to move on and do it elsewhere.

Nobody at Inter disputed what Mancini did for them, but they still felt they need that shove over the top Mourinho would ultimately go on to provide.

 

[hgblue]

Looking a stronger club within the sport means precisely fuck all to me. We would have been a stronger team on the pitch with Torres than we are without him, and we would be a stronger team with Mourinho than we are without him. Bottom line is, that's all I care about. Sending messages and taking the moral high ground is for losers.

If you think allowing players to be the focus, and offering them power by proving the club will do anything to appease them leads to a stronger team you are wrong.

Its not about moral high ground, and doing anything to capture a player or indeed manager puts them in control.

Fine, but if Mourinho has a change of heart and lets it be known that he wants to come here and we were to say 'no, because you snubbed us last year' we would be cutting our nose off to spite our faces imo.