Forget Recriminations, how do we sort this mess out?

[Lancet Fluke]

What really makes me laugh is those that seem hell bent on seeing no wrong and defending Bobby regardless of what is happening are forgetting one very important thing and that is, Bobby himself has now come out in public and said he himself is not happy, not happy with the players performance and not happy with his own.

Yet anyone that posts the same view is hounded as talking shit and told to fuck off?

Listen to your own man, he is admitting to problems.

Mancini would win us the PL title, of that i have no doubt but how long it would take is anyone's guess and i would wager it wouldn't be in the next 3 years at least. Forget the 10 year plan, it no longer applies and it has to happen in a much shorter time scale now as it means the off the pitch business moves at a pace required by the new FFPR.

Mourinho has been there, done it, worn the t-shirt and if available is an absolute must for us as a club, the project and would lift us right to the very top by his sheer presence alone.

No guarantees with him as there isn't in anything in life but he is the best and all you can do is get the best to give you the very best chance of succeeding.

I don't see too many on here that see no wrong in Mancini. I see lots of people who have had a bit of a moan about Jo, Vieira and some of the recent performances but still want to support Mancini because they think he has a pretty decent chance of correcting these things in time, because getting things right does take a bit of time, unfortunately. I also see lots of people who are giving Mancini no credit whatsoever for the good things he has done so far and seem to want him sacked on the basis of two or three bad results. Those people weren't calling for his head two weeks ago though. The Mourinho thread <a class="postlink-local" href="http://forums.bluemoon-mcfc.co.uk/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=205809" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">viewtopic.php?f=1&t=205809</a> 1 week ago was pretty overwhelmingly in favour of keeping Mancini over getting Mourinho. I'd like to see a smilar thread done now, I get the feeling it would be very different. And that is in 1 week, (1 week!!!) that is ridiculous even by football fan standards.

 

[blueinsa]

What really makes me laugh is those that seem hell bent on seeing no wrong and defending Bobby regardless of what is happening are forgetting one very important thing and that is, Bobby himself has now come out in public and said he himself is not happy, not happy with the players performance and not happy with his own.

Yet anyone that posts the same view is hounded as talking shit and told to fuck off?

Listen to your own man, he is admitting to problems.

Mancini would win us the PL title, of that i have no doubt but how long it would take is anyone's guess and i would wager it wouldn't be in the next 3 years at least. Forget the 10 year plan, it no longer applies and it has to happen in a much shorter time scale now as it means the off the pitch business moves at a pace required by the new FFPR.

Mourinho has been there, done it, worn the t-shirt and if available is an absolute must for us as a club, the project and would lift us right to the very top by his sheer presence alone.

No guarantees with him as there isn't in anything in life but he is the best and all you can do is get the best to give you the very best chance of succeeding.

I don't see too many on here that see no wrong in Mancini. I see lots of people who have had a bit of a moan about Jo, Vieira and some of the recent performances but still want to support Mancini because they think he has a pretty decent chance of correcting these things in time, because getting things right does take a bit of time, unfortunately. I also see lots of people who are giving Mancini no credit whatsoever for the good things he has done so far and seem to want him sacked on the basis of two or three bad results. Those people weren't calling for his head two weeks ago though.

Mancini's biggest issue and Tomie's alluded to it in an earlier post is the spectre of Mourinho hangs heavy over him and it has done since day 1 of his tenure because Mourinho was always the 1st choice for the job.

I can only speak for myself and my problem is i don't think Bobby is shit, he is an excellent manager and a guy that would eventually win us trophies and the league in this country, note i have said eventually. I don't however think he would take us to the ultimate prize of the CL, just my opinion.

I have no issue with our league position and our progress in cup competitions, i do have a problem with our style of play and if we are all honest, you can count on one hand the times we have played really well this season so far which for me is not good enough looking at the quality we have.

Bobby also hasn't done himself any favours with his insistence on not having the options of pace and width within the squad. We have become all about power and strength and whilst it blew a few sides away early doors, recently we have been found out and we have become incredibly easy to play against. Bobby knows this, we as fans see this yet because of his dealings with the squad, we now are sat with little or no options to change it and that is a major problem. We rely on moments of magic instead of great team play and it just wont win you anything playing like that over a season, now and then fine, but not over a season.

Another Jan window has passed were Bobby has either failed or he just hasn't been backed correctly and the squad deficiencies have not been addressed and with the exits, we are facing an incredibly important end to the season with an undoubted weaker squad than what we had 1st Jan when we were sat 2nd in the league and looking like real contenders, especially if we added the 2-3 names needed but it didn't happen and im puzzled and angry it didn't. This was the season to really challenge, we did the hard work, got in the top 2 and with our spending power, had the chance to push on but for me, we have missed a trick yet again and i just hope it doesn't come back to haunt us like it did last season.

Many of those criticising have no real problem with Bobby, he is a very good manager but a Mourinho he is not and if and i say if he is available and wants the job its a no brainer for me. He would push us on and deliver without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Damocles]

I'd rather have Bobby than Mourinho.

I justify this in quite a simplistic manner, because although Mourinho is a great manager, Bobby is certainly no slouch either:

Mourinho is a club jumper. He walks in, wins things, then pisses off somewhere else. We would be the stop between Madrid and the National Team. Mancini is someone who looks like he is here for the long haul, rather than a quick hows-your-father.

I want stability and I want it long term. I want someone to build a dynasty here instead of just coming in and winning things, then leaving us in the same position as we were before. Give me a Ferguson or a Wenger over a Mourinho any day of the week.

I look at it this way; let's say you have this lovely girlfriend. She's a very nice looking girl - not the prettiest in the world, but she's still model material. She loves you and you love her, and she wants to spend a long period of time with you. Bedroom wise, she's pretty superb too.

Now, let's say the prettiest girl in the world came along, who happened to also be the awesome in bed. She doesn't love you though and wants a quick one night stand before she goes off to work on her next bloke.

Would you sacrifice your pretty awesome girl who wants to be with you forever, for a bombshell that only wants a quickie?

That analogy was terrible, but I think you see my point.

 

[Lancet Fluke]

I don't see too many on here that see no wrong in Mancini. I see lots of people who have had a bit of a moan about Jo, Vieira and some of the recent performances but still want to support Mancini because they think he has a pretty decent chance of correcting these things in time, because getting things right does take a bit of time, unfortunately. I also see lots of people who are giving Mancini no credit whatsoever for the good things he has done so far and seem to want him sacked on the basis of two or three bad results. Those people weren't calling for his head two weeks ago though.

Mancini's biggest issue and Tomie's alluded to it in an earlier post is the spectre of Mourinho hangs heavy over him and it has done since day 1 of his tenure because Mourinho was always the 1st choice for the job.

I can only speak for myself and my problem is i don't think Bobby is shit, he is an excellent manager and a guy that would eventually win us trophies and the league in this country, note i have said eventually. I don't however think he would take us to the ultimate prize of the CL, just my opinion.

I have no issue with our league position and our progress in cup competitions, i do have a problem with our style of play and if we are all honest, you can count on one hand the times we have played really well this season so far which for me is not good enough looking at the quality we have.

Bobby also hasn't done himself any favours with his insistence on not having the options of pace and width within the squad. We have become all about power and strength and whilst it blew a few sides away early doors, recently we have been found out and we have become incredibly easy to play against. Bobby knows this, we as fans see this yet because of his dealings with the squad, we now are sat with little or no options to change it and that is a major problem. We rely on moments of magic instead of great team play and it just wont win you anything playing like that over a season, now and then fine, but not over a season.

Another Jan window has passed were Bobby has either failed or he just hasn't been backed correctly and the squad deficiencies have not been addressed and with the exits, we are facing an incredibly important end to the season with an undoubted weaker squad than what we had 1st Jan when we were sat 2nd in the league and looking like real contenders, especially if we added the 2-3 names needed but it didn't happen and im puzzled and angry it didn't. This was the season to really challenge, we did the hard work, got in the top 2 and with our spending power, had the chance to push on but for me, we have missed a trick yet again and i just hope it doesn't come back to haunt us like it did last season.

Many of those criticising have no real problem with Bobby, he is a very good manager but a Mourinho he is not and if and i say if he is available and wants the job its a no brainer for me. He would push us on and deliver without a shadow of a doubt.

I agree with lots of what you say there. I don't see that many people on here see things that way at all though unfortunately. I think many fall into the god one week, useless chump the next week, envelope. The backlash to a handful of average performances has been nothing short of outrageous imo. I think Mourinho is a top class manager too but I still wouldn't give him the job tomorrow because, as you say, Mancini is a very good manager and on that basis I think he will get us into the top 4 this season. Changing manager now would be seriously risky. I have no problem with things being reassessed at the end of the season, that would be only right and proper but for now getting in the top 4 is absolutely essential and Mancini, with our support can achieve that, comfortably. And I still don't see how our current situation can be described as a mess.

 

[the blue panther]

What really makes me laugh is those that seem hell bent on seeing no wrong and defending Bobby regardless of what is happening are forgetting one very important thing and that is, Bobby himself has now come out in public and said he himself is not happy, not happy with the players performance and not happy with his own.

Yet anyone that posts the same view is hounded as talking shit and told to fuck off?

Listen to your own man, he is admitting to problems.

Mancini would win us the PL title, of that i have no doubt but how long it would take is anyone's guess and i would wager it wouldn't be in the next 3 years at least. Forget the 10 year plan, it no longer applies and it has to happen in a much shorter time scale now as it means the off the pitch business moves at a pace required by the new FFPR.

Mourinho has been there, done it, worn the t-shirt and if available is an absolute must for us as a club, the project and would lift us right to the very top by his sheer presence alone.

No guarantees with him as there isn't in anything in life but he is the best and all you can do is get the best to give you the very best chance of succeeding.

I don't see too many on here that see no wrong in Mancini. I see lots of people who have had a bit of a moan about Jo, Vieira and some of the recent performances but still want to support Mancini because they think he has a pretty decent chance of correcting these things in time, because getting things right does take a bit of time, unfortunately. I also see lots of people who are giving Mancini no credit whatsoever for the good things he has done so far and seem to want him sacked on the basis of two or three bad results. Those people weren't calling for his head two weeks ago though.

I second just about all of that. All the coming games are crucial and if we falter the clamour for Mourinho will get louder and louder. What Mancini has to do is recognise what nearly everyone on here has done - and hopefully his lieutenants will jump in with advice too - that he must ditch Vieira and Jo unless there is absolutely nobody else left fit. He will do himself a major favour if he is as good as his word the other night and shakes it up a bit. Ditch the shyte and if possible get a bit more pace in the team.
We're all a bit worried as we can feel the team sliding backwards, but, we are within touching distance of where we want to be and I hope Mancini can keep us up there, 4th or better. We have to give ourselves the best chance of getting a good result; that starts with having 11 capable players on the pitch, and not handicapping yourself with either 10, or even 9. if we can do some of the above and cut out the stupid mistakes, we'll be fine. it's hard to understand, with our squad, why that isn't possible.
and don't come back with the 'mentality' argument - pro guys earning a bomb should have it. end of.

 

[Nelly's Left Foot]

I'd rather have Bobby than Mourinho.

I justify this in quite a simplistic manner, because although Mourinho is a great manager, Bobby is certainly no slouch either:

Mourinho is a club jumper. He walks in, wins things, then pisses off somewhere else. We would be the stop between Madrid and the National Team. Mancini is someone who looks like he is here for the long haul, rather than a quick hows-your-father.

I want stability and I want it long term. I want someone to build a dynasty here instead of just coming in and winning things, then leaving us in the same position as we were before. Give me a Ferguson or a Wenger over a Mourinho any day of the week.

I look at it this way; let's say you have this lovely girlfriend. She's a very nice looking girl - not the prettiest in the world, but she's still model material. She loves you and you love her, and she wants to spend a long period of time with you. Bedroom wise, she's pretty superb too.

Now, let's say the prettiest girl in the world came along, who happened to also be the awesome in bed. She doesn't love you though and wants a quick one night stand before she goes off to work on her next bloke.

Would you sacrifice your pretty awesome girl who wants to be with you forever, for a bombshell that only wants a quickie?

That analogy was terrible, but I think you see my point.

2010 BlueMoon Sensible Poster of the Year - Bribery is king.

That's what it says on the side but clearly it is a million miles off the mark based on this one:)

 

[Lancet Fluke]

Now, let's say the prettiest girl in the world came along, who happened to also be the awesome in bed. She doesn't love you though and wants a quick one night stand before she goes off to work on her next bloke.

Would you sacrifice your pretty awesome girl who wants to be with you forever, for a bombshell that only wants a quickie?

Does she do anal? I need to know before I can answer the question properly.

 

[Nicholas van Whatsisface]

I don't see too many on here that see no wrong in Mancini. I see lots of people who have had a bit of a moan about Jo, Vieira and some of the recent performances but still want to support Mancini because they think he has a pretty decent chance of correcting these things in time, because getting things right does take a bit of time, unfortunately. I also see lots of people who are giving Mancini no credit whatsoever for the good things he has done so far and seem to want him sacked on the basis of two or three bad results. Those people weren't calling for his head two weeks ago though.

Mancini's biggest issue and Tomie's alluded to it in an earlier post is the spectre of Mourinho hangs heavy over him and it has done since day 1 of his tenure because Mourinho was always the 1st choice for the job.

I can only speak for myself and my problem is i don't think Bobby is shit, he is an excellent manager and a guy that would eventually win us trophies and the league in this country, note i have said eventually. I don't however think he would take us to the ultimate prize of the CL, just my opinion.

I have no issue with our league position and our progress in cup competitions, i do have a problem with our style of play and if we are all honest, you can count on one hand the times we have played really well this season so far which for me is not good enough looking at the quality we have.

Bobby also hasn't done himself any favours with his insistence on not having the options of pace and width within the squad. We have become all about power and strength and whilst it blew a few sides away early doors, recently we have been found out and we have become incredibly easy to play against. Bobby knows this, we as fans see this yet because of his dealings with the squad, we now are sat with little or no options to change it and that is a major problem. We rely on moments of magic instead of great team play and it just wont win you anything playing like that over a season, now and then fine, but not over a season.

Another Jan window has passed were Bobby has either failed or he just hasn't been backed correctly and the squad deficiencies have not been addressed and with the exits, we are facing an incredibly important end to the season with an undoubted weaker squad than what we had 1st Jan when we were sat 2nd in the league and looking like real contenders, especially if we added the 2-3 names needed but it didn't happen and im puzzled and angry it didn't. This was the season to really challenge, we did the hard work, got in the top 2 and with our spending power, had the chance to push on but for me, we have missed a trick yet again and i just hope it doesn't come back to haunt us like it did last season.

Many of those criticising have no real problem with Bobby, he is a very good manager but a Mourinho he is not and if and i say if he is available and wants the job its a no brainer for me. He would push us on and deliver without a shadow of a doubt.

I don't really see the exits as having made us a weaker squad.

We lost Bridge, Santa Cruz and Adebayor in January, and brought in Dzeko.

I really don't think any fans would have wanted to see either Bridge or Santa Cruz contributing to our season any more. They are almost always injured, which means they are useless to the squad anyway - and when they did play, their contributions were pretty pitiful.

They are both on huge wages, whilst contributing nothing, therefore the opportunity to get them off our books til the summer was abolutely right to be pursued. I genuinely feel that having senior players who never get picked is not good for the atmosphere or for fostering a close-knit group, so they are better off out.

Ade is a different story. There were clearly issues there between him and Mancini which meant he wasn't going to play, therefore it was best to replace him and find him a new club which would play him. This was done in January, with Dzeko coming in, and Ade going to Madrid. Again - this hasn't made us any weaker.

I concede that our injuries to Mario and AJ have made us weaker, and they could have been addressed in January, but I just don't buy this argument that the exits in January made our squad weaker.

I would argue they've left the squad more or less the same, which may be seen as a problem when others around us have strengthened, but that's a different argument all together.

 

[blueinsa]

Just to make it clear, i am not asking for Bobby to be sacked now, he has this season without a shadow of a doubt and i think we will get that top 4 spot, maybe even 3rd with luck but Chelsea are looking strong and 4th seems reasonable right now.

Bobby only to go IF Mourinho wants it in the summer otherwise we stick with Bobby.

This is no different to having a great striker but wanting to replace him with a world class one.

 

[Garry.Cook]

I'd rather have Bobby than Mourinho.

I justify this in quite a simplistic manner, because although Mourinho is a great manager, Bobby is certainly no slouch either:

Mourinho is a club jumper. He walks in, wins things, then pisses off somewhere else. We would be the stop between Madrid and the National Team. Mancini is someone who looks like he is here for the long haul, rather than a quick hows-your-father.

I want stability and I want it long term. I want someone to build a dynasty here instead of just coming in and winning things, then leaving us in the same position as we were before. Give me a Ferguson or a Wenger over a Mourinho any day of the week.

I look at it this way; let's say you have this lovely girlfriend. She's a very nice looking girl - not the prettiest in the world, but she's still model material. She loves you and you love her, and she wants to spend a long period of time with you. Bedroom wise, she's pretty superb too.

Now, let's say the prettiest girl in the world came along, who happened to also be the awesome in bed. She doesn't love you though and wants a quick one night stand before she goes off to work on her next bloke.

Would you sacrifice your pretty awesome girl who wants to be with you forever, for a bombshell that only wants a quickie?

That analogy was terrible, but I think you see my point.

Totally right...that analogy was crap Damo but I hear ya! Mancini is no Mourinho...yet. I want him here for the long term. Let him make the odd mistake like all managers and still come out fighting and winning with City. I want Mancini to become the best manager in the world whilst at our club!