Frank De Boer (new boss?)

[VOOMER]

Really, all of those mentioned have managed clubs in two horse leagues and with teams with better finances than all but one of their rivals.

Oh the irony in that statement. What clubs, other than the current top two in the premier league, are even remotely close to challenging for the title at this moment?

ok, explain who will challenge Dortmund and Munich, Real and Barca and Ajax and PSV,

two haven't won as many league titles as bobby,

How many per year? What were the resources used to achieve success? Those questions aren't trivial or irrelevant, they are the fundamentals of criticisms of Mancini. Mancini won all his Serie A titles off the events of the Italian Ref scandal, and won the title with us after massive expenditures, and United bottling a massive lead in unprecedented style.

Hardly a lack of success, and we all will respect and thank the man for where he's taken this club. But his quality aren't as spectacular as reading them from a list would make his management career appear to be. Three Serie A titles in a row, WOW! Oh wait, all the top opponents (their equivalent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal being sent to the championship) were stripped of 15 points or relegated? Not quite as impressive then.

Juventus, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina and Milan, 1 relegated that's true, for match fixing Inter weren't found guilty and won by 10 clear points in his last season, which is impressive.

two haven't managed outside of their won country and none of them have taken a club that hasn't won a trophy in 35 years and a title in over 44.

Again, resources used to achieve success are more important the amount of time since the last title. A typical club changes its entire squad and backroom staff over a decade, so the "since last trophy" argument is empty. Other than the fans, this Manchester City side has very little in common with the Goater-raping-Neville Derby days.

pointless comment, if your are simply going to dismiss the cultural change needed and ignore the money that Rijkaard had, Klopp has and Pep had in relation to other teams in there league respective leagues,. The clubs that Rijkaard, Klopp, Pep and De Boer have managed (when they have made their reputations), have all been recent and regular title winners, or the dominate club in their league. it seems you have irrational hatred for manager of you supposed team of choice,

We have shone this week that we are the best team, he has had a huge impact on that

While no one refutes that he has built one hell of a team, it does speak volumes that the best team in the land has been absolutely humbled by the rags. Yes, they've borderline cheated and influenced the refs into 10-odd points, but they've been vastly more consistent.

Just use a bit of History. Mancini won, what, 3 titles on the bounce? He gets sacked after building an amazing team (that underwhelmed in Europe), and Inter win the fucking treble with Mourinho a year later. He has shown his limitation, and its in Europe.

Mansour wants European success, and at this point, simply making it to the final 16 would be a major upgrade on the two campaigns Mancini has botched.

oh to true, I would agree it has been frustrating season in the league, but it has been in drawing to many games that we have lost the league, the rags have lost as many games, Monday night showed what we really have to offer, how many years did it take the bully boy before he even got out of the champions league group he group stage? So our strategy as has been explained to you by our owner, is the quarter final of the champions league? I think its the ultimate aim within 5-7 years to be a regular semi-finalist, but by then the EPL will dwarf the champions league in terms of international exposure and revenue, the biggest viewed game last year was the derby at the etihad, not the champions league final

and he also told everyone we needed to strengthen and he was ignored.

Yes, and he didn't get the 100 Million pounds worth of players he wanted. He signed off on the signings we did make (Garcia, for instance, was Mancini's pick mid-summer). I'd think that Khaldoon will already have made a decision if Mancini's only argument is that he didn't get to blow another 100 Million in the transfer market.

No, he gave Marwood and Macbeath A, B and C list, all the transfers came from the C list, Khaldoon went of what he was told, which came from 2 poorly qualified individuals and Garcia was never his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, he was the 5th choice and pretty much forced on him. can you explain the £100 million that he has actually wasted? Surely you not saying, Sergio, Yaya, Clichy, Nasty, Milner, Silva, Nasri, Mario and Eden have all been a complete waste of money, I'd say Savic came to early to us, but compare the huge loses on RSC, Ade and Bridge?

I think you simply dislike Mancini, you could be a wannabe journo simply regurgitating what other people have written, or aren't a city supporter. That's the beauty of forums like this, you can make up any persona you wish and you could 12, or 50 years old I don't know. We have good manager and will replace him when our owner see's fit. Don't hold your breath though, as Pep is still on for Bayern and Jose, well who knows.

 

[Tevez City]

Really, all of those mentioned have managed clubs in two horse leagues and with teams with better finances than all but one of their rivals.

Oh the irony in that statement. What clubs, other than the current top two in the premier league, are even remotely close to challenging for the title at this moment?

ok, explain who will challenge Dortmund and Munich, Real and Barca and Ajax and PSV,

two haven't won as many league titles as bobby,

How many per year? What were the resources used to achieve success? Those questions aren't trivial or irrelevant, they are the fundamentals of criticisms of Mancini. Mancini won all his Serie A titles off the events of the Italian Ref scandal, and won the title with us after massive expenditures, and United bottling a massive lead in unprecedented style.

Hardly a lack of success, and we all will respect and thank the man for where he's taken this club. But his quality aren't as spectacular as reading them from a list would make his management career appear to be. Three Serie A titles in a row, WOW! Oh wait, all the top opponents (their equivalent of United, Chelsea, Arsenal being sent to the championship) were stripped of 15 points or relegated? Not quite as impressive then.

Juventus, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina and Milan, 1 relegated that's true, for match fixing Inter weren't found guilty and won by 10 clear points in his last season, which is impressive.

two haven't managed outside of their won country and none of them have taken a club that hasn't won a trophy in 35 years and a title in over 44.

Again, resources used to achieve success are more important the amount of time since the last title. A typical club changes its entire squad and backroom staff over a decade, so the "since last trophy" argument is empty. Other than the fans, this Manchester City side has very little in common with the Goater-raping-Neville Derby days.

pointless comment, if your are simply going to dismiss the cultural change needed and ignore the money that Rijkaard had, Klopp has and Pep had in relation to other teams in there league respective leagues,. The clubs that Rijkaard, Klopp, Pep and De Boer have managed (when they have made their reputations), have all been recent and regular title winners, or the dominate club in their league. it seems you have irrational hatred for manager of you supposed team of choice,

We have shone this week that we are the best team, he has had a huge impact on that

While no one refutes that he has built one hell of a team, it does speak volumes that the best team in the land has been absolutely humbled by the rags. Yes, they've borderline cheated and influenced the refs into 10-odd points, but they've been vastly more consistent.

Just use a bit of History. Mancini won, what, 3 titles on the bounce? He gets sacked after building an amazing team (that underwhelmed in Europe), and Inter win the fucking treble with Mourinho a year later. He has shown his limitation, and its in Europe.

Mansour wants European success, and at this point, simply making it to the final 16 would be a major upgrade on the two campaigns Mancini has botched.

oh to true, I would agree it has been frustrating season in the league, but it has been in drawing to many games that we have lost the league, the rags have lost as many games, Monday night showed what we really have to offer, how many years did it take the bully boy before he even got out of the champions league group he group stage? So our strategy as has been explained to you by our owner, is the quarter final of the champions league? I think its the ultimate aim within 5-7 years to be a regular semi-finalist, but by then the EPL will dwarf the champions league in terms of international exposure and revenue, the biggest viewed game last year was the derby at the etihad, not the champions league final

and he also told everyone we needed to strengthen and he was ignored.

Yes, and he didn't get the 100 Million pounds worth of players he wanted. He signed off on the signings we did make (Garcia, for instance, was Mancini's pick mid-summer). I'd think that Khaldoon will already have made a decision if Mancini's only argument is that he didn't get to blow another 100 Million in the transfer market.

No, he gave Marwood and Macbeath A, B and C list, all the transfers came from the C list, Khaldoon went of what he was told, which came from 2 poorly qualified individuals and Garcia was never his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, he was the 5th choice and pretty much forced on him. can you explain the £100 million that he has actually wasted? Surely you not saying, Sergio, Yaya, Clichy, Nasty, Milner, Silva, Nasri, Mario and Eden have all been a complete waste of money, I'd say Savic came to early to us, but compare the huge loses on RSC, Ade and Bridge?

I think you simply dislike Mancini, you could be a wannabe journo simply regurgitating what other people have written, or aren't a city supporter. That's the beauty of forums like this, you can make up any persona you wish and you could 12, or 50 years old I don't know. We have good manager and will replace him when our owner see's fit. Don't hold your breath though, as Pep is still on for Bayern and Jose, well who knows.

Mancini's fault was not identifying better b,c,d targets.

Whats wrong with Cazolra or Lucas Moura instead of Hazard ?

Or Sissoko or Pogba instead of Garcia or Rodwell ?

Whats the point of paying Maicon 3m transfer fee + not less than 3m salary for 3 years !

 

[NipHolmes]

Lucas Moura was even more expensive than Hazard and an even bigger risk.

Cazorla isn't what we need either. Silva is a better player and Nasri is on par when played through the centre, Cazorla isn't a winger and is wasted when he plays there.

I agree with Sissoko and Pogba but Rodwell wa sneeded due to Hargreaves going and English quota, Garcia was an iffy call but was a CL player and proven more than both players you mentioned.

Maicon was a cheap fee for a player needed to play the 3-5-2 formation. Injures hampered him. A bad transfer but a cheap one so no worries.

Hardly as if we signed 3 Wayne Bridges is it?

 

[Neville Kneville]

Lucas Moura was even more expensive than Hazard and an even bigger risk.

Cazorla isn't what we need either. Silva is a better player and Nasri is on par when played through the centre, Cazorla isn't a winger and is wasted when he plays there.

I agree with Sissoko and Pogba but Rodwell wa sneeded due to Hargreaves going and English quota, Garcia was an iffy call but was a CL player and proven more than both players you mentioned.

Maicon was a cheap fee for a player needed to play the 3-5-2 formation. Injures hampered him. A bad transfer but a cheap one so no worries.

Hardly as if we signed 3 Wayne Bridges is it?

Seems strange (& unimaginitive) that Mancini wanted Hazard & RVP but then decided to spend £50 mil on players who can fit into his back 3 system rather than going for backup targets in attack. It's pretty certain the club will have scouted scores of other options & the likelihood is we will sign some of those same alternative players in the summer.

Comes accross as a bit of a flounce to me.

 

[NipHolmes]

Lucas Moura was even more expensive than Hazard and an even bigger risk.

Cazorla isn't what we need either. Silva is a better player and Nasri is on par when played through the centre, Cazorla isn't a winger and is wasted when he plays there.

I agree with Sissoko and Pogba but Rodwell wa sneeded due to Hargreaves going and English quota, Garcia was an iffy call but was a CL player and proven more than both players you mentioned.

Maicon was a cheap fee for a player needed to play the 3-5-2 formation. Injures hampered him. A bad transfer but a cheap one so no worries.

Hardly as if we signed 3 Wayne Bridges is it?

Seems strange (& unimaginitive) that Mancini wanted Hazard & RVP but then decided to spend £50 mil on players who can fit into his back 3 system rather than going for backup targets in attack. It's pretty certain the club will have scouted scores of other options & the likelihood is we will sign some of those same alternative players in the summer.

Comes accross as a bit of a flounce to me.

We had a bid for Jovetic but they wanted to keep for another season. As for wide options I believe it was a case of keep the hands in the pocket unless we get our man.

Maicon was a cheap alternative to enable the 3-5-2, it was an extra option/dimension to our play.

Wage bill was significantly reduced btw, Johnson alone pays for Rodwell and Sinclair.

 

[Dethred]

ok, explain who will challenge Dortmund and Munich, Real and Barca and Ajax and PSV,

Who did we buy Edin Dzeko from? If I recall, they have won the title relatively recently? How about Werder Bremen, Stuttgart? How about Valencia in Spain? How about Twente, PSV, and nearly Feyenoord last season? I'd say they're just as competitive as the premier league.

Juventus, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina and Milan, 1 relegated that's true, for match fixing Inter weren't found guilty and won by 10 clear points in his last season, which is impressive.

Firstly, I never stated that Inter were found guilty, which is part of my point. They were the beneficiaries of the scandal and it was a massive benefit to them. I am not saying Mancini didn't do a good job, I'm saying that he didn't come in and suddenly make Inter stand out champions without that scandal. That's the problem with you Forza Mancini people, you don't take anything in its proper context, and then put words into the mouths of others with whom you disagree. Its humiliating for the rest of us.

The top competition for the title were either relegated or deducted a catastrophic number of points. Juventus, who had won the two prior titles, were relegated. It would have been like Chelsea being deducted 8 or 9 points and the rags relegated and their titles stripped (oh how great it would be).

pointless comment, if your are simply going to dismiss the cultural change needed and ignore the money that Rijkaard had, Klopp has and Pep had in relation to other teams in there league respective leagues,. The clubs that Rijkaard, Klopp, Pep and De Boer have managed (when they have made their reputations), have all been recent and regular title winners, or the dominate club in their league. it seems you have irrational hatred for manager of you supposed team of choice,

There you go, it had to come at some point in time. "Oh, you don't agree with me, so you hate the manager of the club you *supposedly* support". Stay classy, just like the rest of the Forza Mancini types.

Of course they have managed clubs with a history of success. We all (even you) know that doesn't mean you automatically get more success. First of all, those clubs saw it fit to appoint those gentlemen as managers in the first place, which is an inherent testament to their coaching abilities. Secondly, I'd suggest that the gross spend of Mancini and from Hughes before him, bridges the gap between perennial winners and mid-table teams. Yes, it doesn't mean everything, but it is THE major factor that has allowed Mancini his success in England. If you think Mancini would have a trophy had he taken over in 2005, you're insane.

oh to true, I would agree it has been frustrating season in the league, but it has been in drawing to many games that we have lost the league, the rags have lost as many games, Monday night showed what we really have to offer, how many years did it take the bully boy before he even got out of the champions league group he group stage? So our strategy as has been explained to you by our owner, is the quarter final of the champions league? I think its the ultimate aim within 5-7 years to be a regular semi-finalist, but by then the EPL will dwarf the champions league in terms of international exposure and revenue, the biggest viewed game last year was the derby at the etihad, not the champions league final

First of all, to address the highlighted. You remember earlier when I wrote that you Forza Mancini types like to make shit up and attribute it to someone with whom you disagree? There's a prime example, I've never said that someone told me the strategy, but progress and reaching as high as possible each year is at the very base of the Club's investment. Without decent runs in the CL, FFP will not be possible, and the objective of self-sustainability will not be possible either.

We all know that if we had at least made it out of the CL, and made a great challenge in the round of 16, that calls for a Mancini replacement would be almost non-existent. Alas, we scraped by with three home draws, and lost to two of the managers most-often linked with replacing Mancini... who haven't had the monetary resources to buy superstars.

No, he gave Marwood and Macbeath A, B and C list, all the transfers came from the C list, Khaldoon went of what he was told, which came from 2 poorly qualified individuals and Garcia was never his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, he was the 5th choice and pretty much forced on him. can you explain the £100 million that he has actually wasted? Surely you not saying, Sergio, Yaya, Clichy, Nasty, Milner, Silva, Nasri, Mario and Eden have all been a complete waste of money, I'd say Savic came to early to us, but compare the huge loses on RSC, Ade and Bridge?

Oh, so Javi Garcia was the 5th choice in JUNE, two months before the transfer window closed???? I'd love a qualified source on your claims. How about Sinclair? Why not just say "I wouldn't play him, so just save the money?". How about buying up Maicon? I'm sure that was Marwood as well, instead of Mancini preferring to buy in Italy, thus buying a former player he managed at Inter. No, that wasn't a painfully bad signing either.

And highlighted again you are putting words in my mouth. Ironically, Marwood was director of Football when all those listed players came in, but when we have a bad season and the manager blames the signings... its all Marwood's fault.

I think you simply dislike Mancini, you could be a wannabe journo simply regurgitating what other people have written, or aren't a city supporter. That's the beauty of forums like this, you can make up any persona you wish and you could 12, or 50 years old I don't know. We have good manager and will replace him when our owner see's fit. Don't hold your breath though, as Pep is still on for Bayern and Jose, well who knows.

I think you're a rag, personally. See what I did there? I called you something I know you aren't, just because you don't agree with me. All YOU do is question the intentions of anyone that doesn't tow YOUR own line, and question if they are even fans at all. Well played, rag. You don't agree with me so you're the rag. Yay, I win whatever it is you win by calling a fellow blue a rag.

I don't need to justify (to you of all people) how I feel about Mancini. I personally would love for him to win everything while he is our manager, which means we are winning everything. I honestly would be as vehemently pro-Mancini as you if we were mid-low end of the table and didn't have this club-ending investment and expectation put on our club, and he was able to at least give us some baby steps up the table year after year. We're fortunately almost pulling level financially at this point, but I want Mansour to see nothing but progress, and to feel that continued investment in the club is worth his while. Right now, the only thing that has put a damper on that, is our record in Europe... which just critical to Mansour's plans. So for me, being completely open to replacing Mancini, has more to do with the long term success of these plans. I don't care that he wears his heart on his sleeve, I don't care that he makes statements that he knows will have the press swarming like flies to shit, as long as he is bringing the club forward he matches the expectations of the owner.

And again, in highlight, is that not what we're fucking discussing here? A manager seriously linked with exactly the scenario you wrote? I wonder what bullshit nonsense you'll be spouting when he does get replaced. Dire response from you, and entirely expected.

-- Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:58 am --

Mancini's fault was not identifying better b,c,d targets.

Whats wrong with Cazolra or Lucas Moura instead of Hazard ?

Or Sissoko or Pogba instead of Garcia or Rodwell ?

Whats the point of paying Maicon 3m transfer fee + not less than 3m salary for 3 years !

Prepare for the barrage of being called a rag by this child. You make too much sense for him.

 

[St Helens Blue (Exiled)]

ok, explain who will challenge Dortmund and Munich, Real and Barca and Ajax and PSV,

Who did we buy Edin Dzeko from? If I recall, they have won the title relatively recently? How about Werder Bremen, Stuttgart? How about Valencia in Spain? How about Twente, PSV, and nearly Feyenoord last season? I'd say they're just as competitive as the premier league.

Juventus, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina and Milan, 1 relegated that's true, for match fixing Inter weren't found guilty and won by 10 clear points in his last season, which is impressive.

Firstly, I never stated that Inter were found guilty, which is part of my point. They were the beneficiaries of the scandal and it was a massive benefit to them. I am not saying Mancini didn't do a good job, I'm saying that he didn't come in and suddenly make Inter stand out champions without that scandal. That's the problem with you Forza Mancini people, you don't take anything in its proper context, and then put words into the mouths of others with whom you disagree. Its humiliating for the rest of us.

The top competition for the title were either relegated or deducted a catastrophic number of points. Juventus, who had won the two prior titles, were relegated. It would have been like Chelsea being deducted 8 or 9 points and the rags relegated and their titles stripped (oh how great it would be).

pointless comment, if your are simply going to dismiss the cultural change needed and ignore the money that Rijkaard had, Klopp has and Pep had in relation to other teams in there league respective leagues,. The clubs that Rijkaard, Klopp, Pep and De Boer have managed (when they have made their reputations), have all been recent and regular title winners, or the dominate club in their league. it seems you have irrational hatred for manager of you supposed team of choice,

There you go, it had to come at some point in time. "Oh, you don't agree with me, so you hate the manager of the club you *supposedly* support". Stay classy, just like the rest of the Forza Mancini types.

Of course they have managed clubs with a history of success. We all (even you) know that doesn't mean you automatically get more success. First of all, those clubs saw it fit to appoint those gentlemen as managers in the first place, which is an inherent testament to their coaching abilities. Secondly, I'd suggest that the gross spend of Mancini and from Hughes before him, bridges the gap between perennial winners and mid-table teams. Yes, it doesn't mean everything, but it is THE major factor that has allowed Mancini his success in England. If you think Mancini would have a trophy had he taken over in 2005, you're insane.

oh to true, I would agree it has been frustrating season in the league, but it has been in drawing to many games that we have lost the league, the rags have lost as many games, Monday night showed what we really have to offer, how many years did it take the bully boy before he even got out of the champions league group he group stage? So our strategy as has been explained to you by our owner, is the quarter final of the champions league? I think its the ultimate aim within 5-7 years to be a regular semi-finalist, but by then the EPL will dwarf the champions league in terms of international exposure and revenue, the biggest viewed game last year was the derby at the etihad, not the champions league final

First of all, to address the highlighted. You remember earlier when I wrote that you Forza Mancini types like to make shit up and attribute it to someone with whom you disagree? There's a prime example, I've never said that someone told me the strategy, but progress and reaching as high as possible each year is at the very base of the Club's investment. Without decent runs in the CL, FFP will not be possible, and the objective of self-sustainability will not be possible either.

We all know that if we had at least made it out of the CL, and made a great challenge in the round of 16, that calls for a Mancini replacement would be almost non-existent. Alas, we scraped by with three home draws, and lost to two of the managers most-often linked with replacing Mancini... who haven't had the monetary resources to buy superstars.

No, he gave Marwood and Macbeath A, B and C list, all the transfers came from the C list, Khaldoon went of what he was told, which came from 2 poorly qualified individuals and Garcia was never his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, he was the 5th choice and pretty much forced on him. can you explain the £100 million that he has actually wasted? Surely you not saying, Sergio, Yaya, Clichy, Nasty, Milner, Silva, Nasri, Mario and Eden have all been a complete waste of money, I'd say Savic came to early to us, but compare the huge loses on RSC, Ade and Bridge?

Oh, so Javi Garcia was the 5th choice in JUNE, two months before the transfer window closed???? I'd love a qualified source on your claims. How about Sinclair? Why not just say "I wouldn't play him, so just save the money?". How about buying up Maicon? I'm sure that was Marwood as well, instead of Mancini preferring to buy in Italy, thus buying a former player he managed at Inter. No, that wasn't a painfully bad signing either.

And highlighted again you are putting words in my mouth. Ironically, Marwood was director of Football when all those listed players came in, but when we have a bad season and the manager blames the signings... its all Marwood's fault.

I think you simply dislike Mancini, you could be a wannabe journo simply regurgitating what other people have written, or aren't a city supporter. That's the beauty of forums like this, you can make up any persona you wish and you could 12, or 50 years old I don't know. We have good manager and will replace him when our owner see's fit. Don't hold your breath though, as Pep is still on for Bayern and Jose, well who knows.

I think you're a rag, personally. See what I did there? I called you something I know you aren't, just because you don't agree with me. All YOU do is question the intentions of anyone that doesn't tow YOUR own line, and question if they are even fans at all. Well played, rag. You don't agree with me so you're the rag. Yay, I win whatever it is you win by calling a fellow blue a rag.

I don't need to justify (to you of all people) how I feel about Mancini. I personally would love for him to win everything while he is our manager, which means we are winning everything. I honestly would be as vehemently pro-Mancini as you if we were mid-low end of the table and didn't have this club-ending investment and expectation put on our club, and he was able to at least give us some baby steps up the table year after year. We're fortunately almost pulling level financially at this point, but I want Mansour to see nothing but progress, and to feel that continued investment in the club is worth his while. Right now, the only thing that has put a damper on that, is our record in Europe... which just critical to Mansour's plans. So for me, being completely open to replacing Mancini, has more to do with the long term success of these plans. I don't care that he wears his heart on his sleeve, I don't care that he makes statements that he knows will have the press swarming like flies to shit, as long as he is bringing the club forward he matches the expectations of the owner.

And again, in highlight, is that not what we're fucking discussing here? A manager seriously linked with exactly the scenario you wrote? I wonder what bullshit nonsense you'll be spouting when he does get replaced. Dire response from you, and entirely expected.

-- Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:58 am --

Mancini's fault was not identifying better b,c,d targets.

Whats wrong with Cazolra or Lucas Moura instead of Hazard ?

Or Sissoko or Pogba instead of Garcia or Rodwell ?

Whats the point of paying Maicon 3m transfer fee + not less than 3m salary for 3 years !

Prepare for the barrage of being called a rag by this child. You make too much sense for him.

rag....dc united fan.

sorry couldn't resist

 

[VOOMER]

ok, explain who will challenge Dortmund and Munich, Real and Barca and Ajax and PSV,

Who did we buy Edin Dzeko from? If I recall, they have won the title relatively recently? How about Werder Bremen, Stuttgart? How about Valencia in Spain? How about Twente, PSV, and nearly Feyenoord last season? I'd say they're just as competitive as the premier league.

Juventus, Lazio, Fiorentina, Reggina and Milan, 1 relegated that's true, for match fixing Inter weren't found guilty and won by 10 clear points in his last season, which is impressive.

Firstly, I never stated that Inter were found guilty, which is part of my point. They were the beneficiaries of the scandal and it was a massive benefit to them. I am not saying Mancini didn't do a good job, I'm saying that he didn't come in and suddenly make Inter stand out champions without that scandal. That's the problem with you Forza Mancini people, you don't take anything in its proper context, and then put words into the mouths of others with whom you disagree. Its humiliating for the rest of us.

The top competition for the title were either relegated or deducted a catastrophic number of points. Juventus, who had won the two prior titles, were relegated. It would have been like Chelsea being deducted 8 or 9 points and the rags relegated and their titles stripped (oh how great it would be).

pointless comment, if your are simply going to dismiss the cultural change needed and ignore the money that Rijkaard had, Klopp has and Pep had in relation to other teams in there league respective leagues,. The clubs that Rijkaard, Klopp, Pep and De Boer have managed (when they have made their reputations), have all been recent and regular title winners, or the dominate club in their league. it seems you have irrational hatred for manager of you supposed team of choice,

There you go, it had to come at some point in time. "Oh, you don't agree with me, so you hate the manager of the club you *supposedly* support". Stay classy, just like the rest of the Forza Mancini types.

Of course they have managed clubs with a history of success. We all (even you) know that doesn't mean you automatically get more success. First of all, those clubs saw it fit to appoint those gentlemen as managers in the first place, which is an inherent testament to their coaching abilities. Secondly, I'd suggest that the gross spend of Mancini and from Hughes before him, bridges the gap between perennial winners and mid-table teams. Yes, it doesn't mean everything, but it is THE major factor that has allowed Mancini his success in England. If you think Mancini would have a trophy had he taken over in 2005, you're insane.

oh to true, I would agree it has been frustrating season in the league, but it has been in drawing to many games that we have lost the league, the rags have lost as many games, Monday night showed what we really have to offer, how many years did it take the bully boy before he even got out of the champions league group he group stage? So our strategy as has been explained to you by our owner, is the quarter final of the champions league? I think its the ultimate aim within 5-7 years to be a regular semi-finalist, but by then the EPL will dwarf the champions league in terms of international exposure and revenue, the biggest viewed game last year was the derby at the etihad, not the champions league final

First of all, to address the highlighted. You remember earlier when I wrote that you Forza Mancini types like to make shit up and attribute it to someone with whom you disagree? There's a prime example, I've never said that someone told me the strategy, but progress and reaching as high as possible each year is at the very base of the Club's investment. Without decent runs in the CL, FFP will not be possible, and the objective of self-sustainability will not be possible either.

We all know that if we had at least made it out of the CL, and made a great challenge in the round of 16, that calls for a Mancini replacement would be almost non-existent. Alas, we scraped by with three home draws, and lost to two of the managers most-often linked with replacing Mancini... who haven't had the monetary resources to buy superstars.

No, he gave Marwood and Macbeath A, B and C list, all the transfers came from the C list, Khaldoon went of what he was told, which came from 2 poorly qualified individuals and Garcia was never his 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, he was the 5th choice and pretty much forced on him. can you explain the £100 million that he has actually wasted? Surely you not saying, Sergio, Yaya, Clichy, Nasty, Milner, Silva, Nasri, Mario and Eden have all been a complete waste of money, I'd say Savic came to early to us, but compare the huge loses on RSC, Ade and Bridge?

Oh, so Javi Garcia was the 5th choice in JUNE, two months before the transfer window closed???? I'd love a qualified source on your claims. How about Sinclair? Why not just say "I wouldn't play him, so just save the money?". How about buying up Maicon? I'm sure that was Marwood as well, instead of Mancini preferring to buy in Italy, thus buying a former player he managed at Inter. No, that wasn't a painfully bad signing either.

And highlighted again you are putting words in my mouth. Ironically, Marwood was director of Football when all those listed players came in, but when we have a bad season and the manager blames the signings... its all Marwood's fault.

I think you simply dislike Mancini, you could be a wannabe journo simply regurgitating what other people have written, or aren't a city supporter. That's the beauty of forums like this, you can make up any persona you wish and you could 12, or 50 years old I don't know. We have good manager and will replace him when our owner see's fit. Don't hold your breath though, as Pep is still on for Bayern and Jose, well who knows.

I think you're a rag, personally. See what I did there? I called you something I know you aren't, just because you don't agree with me. All YOU do is question the intentions of anyone that doesn't tow YOUR own line, and question if they are even fans at all. Well played, rag. You don't agree with me so you're the rag. Yay, I win whatever it is you win by calling a fellow blue a rag.

I don't need to justify (to you of all people) how I feel about Mancini. I personally would love for him to win everything while he is our manager, which means we are winning everything. I honestly would be as vehemently pro-Mancini as you if we were mid-low end of the table and didn't have this club-ending investment and expectation put on our club, and he was able to at least give us some baby steps up the table year after year. We're fortunately almost pulling level financially at this point, but I want Mansour to see nothing but progress, and to feel that continued investment in the club is worth his while. Right now, the only thing that has put a damper on that, is our record in Europe... which just critical to Mansour's plans. So for me, being completely open to replacing Mancini, has more to do with the long term success of these plans. I don't care that he wears his heart on his sleeve, I don't care that he makes statements that he knows will have the press swarming like flies to shit, as long as he is bringing the club forward he matches the expectations of the owner.

And again, in highlight, is that not what we're fucking discussing here? A manager seriously linked with exactly the scenario you wrote? I wonder what bullshit nonsense you'll be spouting when he does get replaced. Dire response from you, and entirely expected.

-- Mon Apr 15, 2013 7:58 am --

Mancini's fault was not identifying better b,c,d targets.

Whats wrong with Cazolra or Lucas Moura instead of Hazard ?

Or Sissoko or Pogba instead of Garcia or Rodwell ?

Whats the point of paying Maicon 3m transfer fee + not less than 3m salary for 3 years !

Prepare for the barrage of being called a rag by this child. You make too much sense for him.

In summary of you lengthy reply, you have not come with a practical alternative to Mancini. I'm sure you would agree that Zabs, Vinnie, Lescott, Micah and NDJ all improved under Mancini, or did the spuds dicking us 3-0 not happen. A whole culture has changed at the club, Mancini has been part of that. I get the sense, you want to be right to be right. The continuity that Barca have enjoyed started when Michels went there, Cruyff, Van Gaal and Rijkaard carried it on, now its is cemented. We need that, there has never been continuity at our club, in terms of how we coached our juniors to play the same way as the first team, just promise, hopefully nurtured into a player who before the take over, would have helped keep us in the EPL. De Boer, manages a club that is the only serious team in Amsterdam in a stadium built by the council, for which they pay a peppercorn rent and don't pass on any of the gate which is close to 60,000 in terms of capacity. I would call winning the league 31 times dominating your league and the champions league 4 times as having a legacy. So its understandable, why most dutch kids want to play for Ajax and they still have arrangements in Belgium and Africa to basically poach young players on the cheap. They are the rags of the Netherlands. , as are Bayern. and as are Real Madrid. So you can be as abusive as you want, but in one turn you wish Mancini would win everything with us, but then come across as someone who can't grasp that we have a manager, who is in demand elsewhere, because it is recognized, than in two extremely competitive leagues against established powers and in general, very different styles of play, he has won titles, something neither Pep, Klopp, or De Boer have. I want to see some purpose behind our changes. We are still in the process of revamping the scouting system. We played some stellar stuff against Chelski, we need to strengthen, and all though it may surprise people, plenty of today's players remember Roberto as being very good player, so he does have some pull. So I looked forward to Wigan on Wednesday, safe in the knowledge that they'll be 40,000 people there who will agree with me and not the 10-15 people on here who think we should sack Mancini because the press say so.

 

[Stephenhakin]

Anyone fancy De Boer. Young, ambitious, high regarded/respected. I for one think we could do a lot worse.Pretty sure he has won four titles on the spin ( something that has never been done in Holland before ) , has a high pressing style , likes to play 433. Anyone else think we could do a lot worse? He could be anything.

 

[.A.]

Anyone fancy De Boer. Young, ambitious, high regarded/respected. I for one think we could do a lot worse.Pretty sure he has won four titles on the spin ( something that has never been done in Holland before ) , has a high pressing style , likes to play 433. Anyone else think we could do a lot worse? He could be anything.

I'd take him; the Dutch ideology dictates youth integration and development, something fundamental for us in the next few seasons.