FSA AGM - reportedly a fans' motion supportive of APT rules proposed

Anyone know any Blues or relatives in West Derby?

Thank you for contacting the office of Ian Byrne Member of Parliment for Liverpool West Derby.

Due to strict parliamentry protocol I can only act and take up casework on behalf of Liverpool West Derby constituents. Please ensure that you have included your name, address, postcode and conatct details in your email.
 
We've very publically called out Byrne as evidenced on this page mate. It's more complex than saying we should rethink our involvement with them. The people we deal with at SOS are fine but there are clearly others - Byrne in particular - who don't get that when fan groups work together on issues, they should put club rivalries to one side. Some of the SOS lot had a meeting with LFC about ticket prices towards the end of last season as they were emboldened by 1894's protest banner regarding our own ST price increases. The bloke from LFC that they met up with said "Why are you bothering to protest against us about ticket prices - why don't you do some banners aimed at MCFC and the 115 charges instead?". The SOS lads present politely told him to get fucked, that that is a club issue, and that they have a decent relationship with 1894 when campaigning on various issues that affect the fans. The wanker at LFC couldn't comprehend that fan groups from rival clubs actually work together on things.
The SOS chair, Joe Blott, is an absolute gent who I've had the pleasure of meeting and having a good chat with. I even know some of the MUST guys, including their chair and the late, sadly lamented Iain Sterling.

Aside from the different colours of shirt we support, there is so much that unites us as committed fans, and that we have common cause with. Those things - ticket prices, the criminalisation of fans, the dominance of the TV companies, bad owners rather than good ones, etc - are what we should be focusing on.

But if we're going to be bitchy I'd also say it's a little hypocritical for a representative group of LFC fans proposing a motion asking for 'competitive balance' (whatever that is) when their club has been in the forefront of efforts to 'balance' things in their favour over the last half-century, and has had unrestricted and life-changing financial support from their founder and Littlewoods prior to that.
 
Email just sent to Ian Byrne MP.
Arse licked him in the first section and then went for the jugular lol

Dear Ian
Congratulations on being re-elected and also on Labour's victory at the election two weeks ago.

It has been brought to my attention that you recently made the following comments regarding Manchester City and their supporters. I agree 100% with everything written (reproduced below).

"Shame on the club, shame on the clubs who are supporting them and not seeing the bigger picture. I am amazed there are Manchester City fans who are not seeing the real issue, talking as though their club are being attacked. Come on, let's look at the bigger picture.
"If Liverpool's owners were acting like this I'd be the first to call them out, the Spirit of Shankly would and I am sure every single fan who has got the love of the game in their heart, sees past that and looks at it in a holistic way."

Given your comments above, can I ask if either yourself or The Spirit of Shankly have ever called Liverpool FC out with regards to their shirt sponsorship with Standard Chartered?
In case you are unaware, I have copied below for your convenience, a sample of examples where Standard Chartered have been fined multiple millions of pounds for various charges ranging from money laundering for terrorist organisation's, through to ignoring boycotts from trading with certain countries and regimes


Standard Chartered Bank (SCB) has been fined for a number of reasons, including sanctions violations, anti-money laundering (AML) deficiencies, and reporting lapses:




I look forward to your reply.

Yours sincerely
Mad Eyed Screamer
He won't reply as you're not one of his constituents, he's just a free loading Scouse wanker, woulda't piss on him if he was on fire.

Edit, just seen you're not getting a reply, stock answer. Now, if you want something raising with Angela Rayner I'm in a position to do that, I've already sent her a complaint about selling a vehicle on the 1st June with the DVLA taking a months tax off me and charging the new owner for the month as well, told them they were "fucking charlatans of the highest order". Not expecting a positive response.
 
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We've very publically called out Byrne as evidenced on this page mate. It's more complex than saying we should rethink our involvement with them. The people we deal with at SOS are fine but there are clearly others - Byrne in particular - who don't get that when fan groups work together on issues, they should put club rivalries to one side. Some of the SOS lot had a meeting with LFC about ticket prices towards the end of last season as they were emboldened by 1894's protest banner regarding our own ST price increases. The bloke from LFC that they met up with said "Why are you bothering to protest against us about ticket prices - why don't you do some banners aimed at MCFC and the 115 charges instead?". The SOS lads present politely told him to get fucked, that that is a club issue, and that they have a decent relationship with 1894 when campaigning on various issues that affect the fans. The wanker at LFC couldn't comprehend that fan groups from rival clubs actually work together on things.
Thanks for this excellent response. It is helpful to understand some of the internal politics at play. It is depressing to see such a level of ignorance in rival fan groups even though it is not a surprise.
 
Anyone know any Blues in West Derby?

Thank you for contacting the office of Ian Byrne Member of Parliment for Liverpool West Derby.

Due to strict parliamentry protocol I can only act and take up casework on behalf of Liverpool West Derby constituents. Please ensure that you have included your name, address, postcode and conatct details in your email.

I don’t believe you were asking him to take on case work just his opinion, but if he only discusses issues n his area he should fucking button it about City.
 
The SOS chair, Joe Blott, is an absolute gent who I've had the pleasure of meeting and having a good chat with. I even know some of the MUST guys, including their chair and the late, sadly lamented Iain Sterling.

Aside from the different colours of shirt we support, there is so much that unites us as committed fans, and that we have common cause with. Those things - ticket prices, the criminalisation of fans, the dominance of the TV companies, bad owners rather than good ones, etc - are what we should be focusing on.

But if we're going to be bitchy I'd also say it's a little hypocritical for a representative group of LFC fans proposing a motion asking for 'competitive balance' (whatever that is) when their club has been in the forefront of efforts to 'balance' things in their favour over the last half-century, and has had unrestricted and life-changing financial support from their founder and Littlewoods prior to that.
When I went to FSF (as it was then) meetings with the IMUSA bods (are they still active?) we agreed that if football fans realised that we have everything in common and that the real "enemy" was the Football authorities we would.achieve much more together.
The Football authorities love that we fans spend more time on parochial squabbling with each other than uniting and taking the fight to where it should be taken
 
We've very publically called out Byrne as evidenced on this page mate. It's more complex than saying we should rethink our involvement with them. The people we deal with at SOS are fine but there are clearly others - Byrne in particular - who don't get that when fan groups work together on issues, they should put club rivalries to one side. Some of the SOS lot had a meeting with LFC about ticket prices towards the end of last season as they were emboldened by 1894's protest banner regarding our own ST price increases. The bloke from LFC that they met up with said "Why are you bothering to protest against us about ticket prices - why don't you do some banners aimed at MCFC and the 115 charges instead?". The SOS lads present politely told him to get fucked, that that is a club issue, and that they have a decent relationship with 1894 when campaigning on various issues that affect the fans. The wanker at LFC couldn't comprehend that fan groups from rival clubs actually work together on things.
Which is the way most (all?) clubs would like it, divide to conquer. Fans coming together gives them the willy's.
 
We've very publically called out Byrne as evidenced on this page mate. It's more complex than saying we should rethink our involvement with them. The people we deal with at SOS are fine but there are clearly others - Byrne in particular - who don't get that when fan groups work together on issues, they should put club rivalries to one side. Some of the SOS lot had a meeting with LFC about ticket prices towards the end of last season as they were emboldened by 1894's protest banner regarding our own ST price increases. The bloke from LFC that they met up with said "Why are you bothering to protest against us about ticket prices - why don't you do some banners aimed at MCFC and the 115 charges instead?". The SOS lads present politely told him to get fucked, that that is a club issue, and that they have a decent relationship with 1894 when campaigning on various issues that affect the fans. The wanker at LFC couldn't comprehend that fan groups from rival clubs actually work together on things.

They really are a special bunch.

Absolute rats.
 
He won't reply as you're not one of his constituents, he's just a free loading Scouse wanker, woulda't piss on him if he was on fire.

Edit, just seen you're not getting a reply, stock answer. Now, if you want something raising with Angela Rayner I'm in a position to do that, I've already sent her a complaint about selling a vehicle on the 1st June with the DVLA taking a months tax off me and charging the new owner for the month as well, told them they were "fucking charlatans of the highest order". Not expecting a positive response.

Should’ve cc’d Tim Burgess in.
 
The OSC was represented at every FSF / FSA conference I ever went too (usually Alan Galley, but I haven't attended one in 13 years!)
Maybe @Tim of the Oak could find out if the OSC was represented?

Absolutely laughing at the statement, presumably written by the Spirit of Shankly, bemoaning that the spending gap between the top and the bottom has increased and could increase further.
Did the SOS think this was an issue when Liverpool were buying all the top players and winning 3 titles on the bounce throughout their dominant period of the 70's / 80's? Did MUST have an issue when Wooney, Wio and Veron were being bought, smashing British transfer records along the way and the rags were winning 3 titles (twice) on the bounce during their period of dominance in the 90's / 00's?

Of course, both sets of groups will bring up the tired nonsense about ''spending was done with clean / earnt / organic money'' rather than outwardly invested money (or the usual dirty oil money) without understanding their gerrymandering of both the Premier League and the Champions League meant that without outside investment, no club could ever break into the cartel.

What amazes me is groups like the West Ham and Wolves supporter's clubs going along and backing this motion, whilst failing to understand how the rags and Liverpool (and Arsenal too) were feasting at the top table to the detriment of their own clubs, who were happy to be thrown scraps every now and then and were grateful for what they received.
The OSC were not represented at the meeting, thanks.
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@TheOSC8


The OSC agree 100% with @WeAre1894 on this. We were also not in attendance and would also have abstained had we been there. Worse still was that @WeAreTheFSA had absolutely no dialogue with us prior to this motion. We will look to discuss this process with the new FSA Chair asap.


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Just for accuracy. Was the FSA AGM widely publicised ?
Were the 'topics to be discussed' on the FSA website prior to the AGM
Did 1894/OSC get an invite.

If I've read the previous posts correctly, neither 1894 or the OSC knew of the AGM nor the topics to be voted on until the FSA put them on a tweet. If I'm correct that is just a shitty stich up by mard arsed fans of history clubs.
 
Just for accuracy. Was the FSA AGM widely publicised ?
Were the 'topics to be discussed' on the FSA website prior to the AGM
Did 1894/OSC get an invite.

If I've read the previous posts correctly, neither 1894 or the OSC knew of the AGM nor the topics to be voted on until the FSA put them on a tweet. If I'm correct that is just a shitty stich up by mard arsed fans of history clubs.
Just to clarify that 1894 - and, I’m guessing, the OSC - knew about the AGM (I’d actually describe it more as an annual conference rather than an AGM). 1894 normally have someone in attendance - as do the OSC - but our issue this year is that we couldn’t get anyone down there in person. We did have a couple of guys following the motion remotely about co-ordinated action on ticket prices which 1894 have been heavily involved in. Whether the motion about APTs was properly communicated in advance, I’m not sure as I’ve been out of the loop a bit over the past couple of months due to family issues. The impression I get is that it’s kind of been shoved through the back door and as you can see, both 1894 and the OSC aren’t happy about that.

I still think this has got Ian Byrne’s fingerprints all over it and it’s been worded in a way to try and sucker other fan groups in to vote in favour of the motion.

Can I just say thanks to @Luddite_Blue for posting the details on here.
 
Just to clarify that 1894 - and, I’m guessing, the OSC - knew about the AGM (I’d actually describe it more as an annual conference rather than an AGM). 1894 normally have someone in attendance - as do the OSC - but our issue this year is that we couldn’t get anyone down there in person. We did have a couple of guys following the motion remotely about co-ordinated action on ticket prices which 1894 have been heavily involved in. Whether the motion about APTs was properly communicated in advance, I’m not sure as I’ve been out of the loop a bit over the past couple of months due to family issues. The impression I get is that it’s kind of been shoved through the back door and as you can see, both 1894 and the OSC aren’t happy about that.

I still think this has got Ian Byrne’s fingerprints all over it and it’s been worded in a way to try and sucker other fan groups in to vote in favour of the motion.

Can I just say thanks to @Luddite_Blue for posting the details on here.

A Liverpool MP who was suspended by the Labour Party after voting against the government over a child poverty policy has said he was 'devastated' to have the party whip removed - but felt he had to vote with his conscience.
 

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