Full Backs?

[BosnianBlue]

But it did work like that?

Sane, Sterling, Jesus, Laporte, zinchenko, Stones, Bernardo are all young.

Read my last post. They are young but were all proved stars (at least) half of Europe wanted. Some 300 million spent on them prove that.

It's not point in not buying young players, of course that's what you want, to have most of them for 2-3 full contracts, but not Angelinos. And specially not after you had him in your ranks for years and decided he's not good enough for you.

We're at the level where you do buy potentials, but almost guaranteed potentials. Not hopes. Unless they are kids who you do bring for nothing to the academy and mostly can saell for some small profit if not good enough for first team. Like Angelino.

Sane, Sterling, Jesus.. almost guaranteed potentials. 120m market value for them few years ago showed that. Stones, Bernardo, Laporte, Aguero.. already established top class players.

 

[BlueDan91]

Read my last post. They are young but were all proved stars (at least) half of Europe wanted. Some 300 million spent on them prove that.

It's not point in not buying young players, of course that's what you want, to have most of them for 2-3 full contracts, but not Angelinos. And specially not after you had him in your ranks for years and decided he's not good enough for you.

We're at the level where you do buy potentials, but almost guaranteed potentials. Not hopes. Unless they are kids who you do bring for nothing to the academy and mostly can saell for some small profit if not good enough for first team. Like Angelino.

Sane, Sterling, Jesus.. almost guaranteed potentials. 120m market value for them few years ago showed that. Stones, Bernardo, Laporte, Aguero.. already established top class players.

I agree, currently, Angelino isn't good enough for us. It's why he was sold in the first place.

But we did also buy young players regardless of how much we spent on them.

Zinchenko was good but not a star, and noone would have predicted his rise with us 2 years or so ago.

 

[BosnianBlue]

I agree, currently, Angelino isn't good enough for us. It's why he was sold in the first place.

But we did also buy young players regardless of how much we spent on them.

Zinchenko was good but not a star, and noone would have predicted his rise with us 2 years or so ago.

We bought Zin with intent to resell him probably. And we almost did it last year. Let's be fair, if it wasn't to Pep and his boldness to play him at FB, he'd never make it at City. No way he was becoming anything close to regular in the middle. Even at the bench. All in all, business with Zin was the top one but I think it's just an exception to the rule, without some extraordinary situations it probably wouldn't finish as close as it did.

 

[Gabriel]

We bought Zin with intent to resell him probably. And we almost did it last year. Let's be fair, if it wasn't to Pep and his boldness to play him at FB, he'd never made it at City. No way he was becoming anything close to regular in the middle. Even at the bench. All in all, business with Zin was the top one but I think it's just an exception to the rule, without some extraordinary situations it probably wouldn't finish as close as it did.

Perhaps, though Delph also put in convincing performances at left back, so it shows it may not be quite so exceptional. In our team, it’s arguable that a player of lesser quality, who is himself surrounded by players of higher quality, raises his game by a certain percentage and that the players around him do even more to cover for any remaining deficiencies. The problem we have is determining which young players can do that and which positions it’s possible to run that risk.

 

[WallyA]

Read my last post. They are young but were all proved stars (at least) half of Europe wanted. Some 300 million spent on them prove that.

It's not point in not buying young players, of course that's what you want, to have most of them for 2-3 full contracts, but not Angelinos. And specially not after you had him in your ranks for years and decided he's not good enough for you.

We're at the level where you do buy potentials, but almost guaranteed potentials. Not hopes. Unless they are kids who you do bring for nothing to the academy and mostly can saell for some small profit if not good enough for first team. Like Angelino.

Sane, Sterling, Jesus.. almost guaranteed potentials. 120m market value for them few years ago showed that. Stones, Bernardo, Laporte, Aguero.. already established top class players.

Difference of opinion I suppose. Let's remember this post/conversation though, I'm gonna make the claim Angelino will be at a big club within the next 2 years. I have high confidence in that based on what I have seen of him. If I'm wrong, you can say I told you so and I'll say I was wrong, although I'm certain Europe's top clubs have noticed his performances this season.

 

[citizens_1976]

I think it's really unfair for people to slate Angelino here, especially considering his age. Look at Robertson for example, or Alexander Arnold at Liverpool. I seem to remember they had alot of criticism when they bought Robertson, and nobody expected him to become the full back he is now. Now he's probably the best LB in the world on current form.
I also seem to remember TAA getting absolutely destroyed by Brandon Barker in a youth team game. So with young kids it is all about attitude and hard work.

Angelino is only 22, don't forget that. He has all the tools to work with and by the time he's 26, he could be up there with the best Left Backs in the world. In Football 4 years of a players development is a long, long time. He's fast, good going forward, and has the attributes to become brilliant defensively. I definitely wouldn't have a problem bringing him back.

 

[ctid1894]

Difference of opinion I suppose. Let's remember this post/conversation though, I'm gonna make the claim Angelino will be at a big club within the next 2 years. I have high confidence in that based on what I have seen of him. If I'm wrong, you can say I told you so and I'll say I was wrong, although I'm certain Europe's top clubs have noticed his performances this season.

Angelino is a brilliant player, personally I think he’d fit in perfectly back here but Zinchenko has earned the right to stay and challenge Mendy for the left back slot for now. If either of them doesn’t show they’re up for the fight, then I think Angelino would be great to come back. That said if we had the chance of Lucas Digne at Everton I may very well opt for him, I personally think he’s even better than Robertson.

If Danilo goes then fuck knows who I would want at right back, there’s not a single player in England who I think is good enough, so I’d go for Semedo at Barcelona on footballing ability alone. Although I’m sure I’ve seen somewhere he can be disruptive which if that is correct then I’d leave well alone.

 

[WallyA]

Angelino is a brilliant player, personally I think he’d fit in perfectly back here but Zinchenko has earned the right to stay and challenge Mendy for the left back slot for now. If either of them doesn’t show they’re up for the fight, then I think Angelino would be great to come back. That said if we had the chance of Lucas Digne at Everton I may very well opt for him, I personally think he’s even better than Robertson.

If Danilo goes then fuck knows who I would want at right back, there’s not a single player in England who I think is good enough, so I’d go for Semedo at Barcelona on footballing ability alone. Although I’m sure I’ve seen somewhere he can be disruptive which if that is correct then I’d leave well alone.

I like Zinchenko as a utility player in the case we bring Angelino back. He can play LB and midfield.

 

[HaalandEffect]

Midtfield is pakket for him next year. David Silva and Ferna is leaving next year?

 

[BosnianBlue]

I think it's really unfair for people to slate Angelino here, especially considering his age. Look at Robertson for example, or Alexander Arnold at Liverpool. I seem to remember they had alot of criticism when they bought Robertson, and nobody expected him to become the full back he is now. Now he's probably the best LB in the world on current form.
I also seem to remember TAA getting absolutely destroyed by Brandon Barker in a youth team game. So with young kids it is all about attitude and hard work.

Angelino is only 22, don't forget that. He has all the tools to work with and by the time he's 26, he could be up there with the best Left Backs in the world. In Football 4 years of a players development is a long, long time. He's fast, good going forward, and has the attributes to become brilliant defensively. I definitely wouldn't have a problem bringing him back.

Let's not forget we had years of insight in everything Angelino might offer and still sold him while not being covered in glory on his position. There will never be an easier step into the first team from youth than at the time he was sold it was for his position. There was only one LB in the first team and yet Angelino was sold. People at club didn't rate him, thought Delph and/or Zinchenko, not even being the fullbacks, could do the better job and that says me they won't bring him back. Will he become good player? Maybe. But I'm fairly certain that won't be at City.

Nobody is saying we shouldn't buy 5-10m player at times and we are doing that regularly. But we had the guy for free and didn't feel it was worth to keep him. We might get our own Robinson, who knows, but Angelino won't be that one.