Game of Thrones

The trouble is many people complaining that it took 9 episodes to get anywhere with the final episode of each season been fantastic and huge, now the writers have pandered to those views people are complaining it's dumbed down and become a fast action fest. Personally I'm not arsed I'd rather they'd have got a better balance but let's face it everyone just wants to get to the end if the story now, much better than tv disappears up its own arse like The Walking Dead, imagine last nights episode 3 or 4 seasons ago with them walking north of the wall for 6 episodes someone running back for 2 episodes another episode fir the message and then that battle in the last episode !!
 
Blue Maverick said:
The trouble is many people complaining that it took 9 episodes to get anywhere with the final episode of each season been fantastic and huge, now the writers have pandered to those views people are complaining it's dumbed down and become a fast action fest. Personally I'm not arsed I'd rather they'd have got a better balance but let's face it everyone just wants to get to the end if the story now, much better than tv disappears up its own arse like The Walking Dead, imagine last nights episode 3 or 4 seasons ago with them walking north of the wall for 6 episodes someone running back for 2 episodes another episode fir the message and then that battle in the last episode !!
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I agree and disagree..... I only disagree because unlike other people I wasn't too bothered about the previous seasons pacing, I would have been happy with the same pacing and an extra season or 2.... however the suspense did kill me at times, especially during season 4 when Oberyn fought the Mountain, the build up to that was murder!!

I do agree however with the unnecessary gap episodes of people walking about. Lads at work keep making comments about everyone travelling by plane, but I pretty much said thebsame as you, as in woukd you be happy with a 2 episode filler showing people walk back and forth? But I guess you do lose some sort of character development from it such as:

I probably would have been more arsed about Thoros dying had we spent a bit more time with him.
 
Blue Maverick said:
The trouble is many people complaining that it took 9 episodes to get anywhere with the final episode of each season been fantastic and huge, now the writers have pandered to those views people are complaining it's dumbed down and become a fast action fest. Personally I'm not arsed I'd rather they'd have got a better balance but let's face it everyone just wants to get to the end if the story now, much better than tv disappears up its own arse like The Walking Dead, imagine last nights episode 3 or 4 seasons ago with them walking north of the wall for 6 episodes someone running back for 2 episodes another episode fir the message and then that battle in the last episode !!
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I think that is part of what is making it such a brilliant series. There is no grey area where this is heading or just drifting along like many other shows (including GOT in some series). We are flying full throttle towards the end and its absolutely breath taking every episode. I share people views on how its lost an element of its attraction in the build up and charachter development, but for me its far out weighed by the pace and action in every episode and driving the story forward towards the end. I don't remember a show ever that has managed to do what GOT is doing.
 
As entertaining as it was, I think there was a lot wrong with Episode 6. But amongst all the more serious points others have raised, the one that I can't get out of my head is:

At one point during the fight, a wight dives for the captured wight on the ground and attacks it; Jon has to go back and pull it off. Why would a wight attack another wight? I'm not sure it would be thinking "They're capturing it to take back as proof of our existence - better stop them", nor have they ever shown any tendency to fight one another, given that they are just mindless drones.
I know it's a small thing but it made no sense!
 
che_don_john said:
As entertaining as it was, I think there was a lot wrong with Episode 6. But amongst all the more serious points others have raised, the one that I can't get out of my head is:

At one point during the fight, a wight dives for the captured wight on the ground and attacks it; Jon has to go back and pull it off. Why would a wight attack another wight? I'm not sure it would be thinking "They're capturing it to take back as proof of our existence - better stop them", nor have they ever shown any tendency to fight one another, given that they are just mindless drones.
I know it's a small thing but it made no sense!
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We have never seen what they would do when one was captured so it's conjecture either way.
 
Gelsons Dad said:
We have never seen what they would do when one was captured so it's conjecture either way.
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Yeah, I'm wondering now if
the Night King knew it had been captured and thus instructed his wights to rescue/kill it. The wights are just cannon fodder to the White Walkers, so knowing the groups' intention would be the only reason for the NK to want get to that captured wight - which then that begs the question of how did he know?
It being conjecture is partly why I'm struggling with this season; when fans are having to fill in the gaps and come up answers for these things, it shows that the writing has got a bit too tangled up.
 
I think people just like to complain about things. I've seen people complain that there's too much action now and they miss the political backstabbing but this was always the natural conclusion to the series. They weren't going to invite the white walkers to a wedding and then stab them in the back it was always going to be an epic battle of fire and ice.

As for the things like them teleporting across the world I really don't see how this is an issue. Like do people really need to see someone walking to know they travelled? Surely it's common sense that the journey happened and they just cut to the end of it to save time.

As for people wanting more episodes/series so they could fit in stuff like them travelling that just isn't workable. The directors want to finish this to move onto their next project, the actors are all big names now and are super expensive and are only contracted for 8 seasons. Plus it may be the biggest show on TV but it still has a budget to keep to and those epic dragon battles don't come cheap.

My advice would be to sit back and enjoy it while it lasts as we are only getting one more series of this and if you want the added detail then wait until George RR Martin finishes the books (if that will ever happen).
 
Shall we expect episode 7 early ? I watched 6 on Tuesday I think now I have withdrawals
 
RandomJ said:
As for the things like them teleporting across the world I really don't see how this is an issue. Like do people really need to see someone walking to know they travelled? Surely it's common sense that the journey happened and they just cut to the end of it to save time.
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The issue isn't that people are travelling fast, per se; it's that in past seasons a hell of a lot happened when people travelled. We got to learn a lot about Robert, Ned and the rebellion backstory when they travelled to King's Landing; we saw another side to the Hound and saw Ayra develop when they travelled together; Jaimie's whole character arc happened when he was travelling back with Brienne; the character of Bronne came about essentially because of characters travelling; and the same could be said of the likes of Jorah, Gendry and many others.

In GoT, travelling was not about getting from one place to another; it was the opportunity to develop characters and plot. With that feature now gone we are rarely able to see character develop, to understand their motivation or to even see twists and turns - tropes that defined GoT and made it so good in the first place.
 
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che_don_john said:
The issue isn't that people are travelling fast, per se; it's that in past seasons a hell of a lot happened when people travelled. We got to learn a lot about Rob, Ned and the rebellion backstory when they travelled to King's Landing; we saw another side to the Hound and saw Ayra develop when they travelled together; Jaimie's whole character arc happened when he was travelling back with Brienne; the character of Bronne came about essentially because of characters travelling; and the same could be said of the likes of Jorah, Gendry and many others.

In GoT, travelling was not about getting from one place to another; it was the opportunity to develop characters and plot. With that feature now gone we are rarely able to see character develop, to understand their motivation or to even see twists and turns - tropes that defined GoT and made it so good in the first place.
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Yes and you got 6 seasons of that. There is no real need for any of that now. We know the characters inside and out, we know their motivations now it's time for the 6 seasons of build up to start having a pay off. It's time for the white walkers to actually break down the wall and pose the threat we've been hearing about for years, it's time for Daenerys to actually try and take the Iron Throne instead of just talking about it for 6 seasons, it's time for Jon's lineage to come to light and the complications that come with that, it's time for Cersei to get her comeuppance etc.

And they have to fit all that in the last 2 seasons. Some things have to be cut.
 
RandomJ said:
Yes and you got 6 seasons of that. There is no real need for any of that now. We know the characters inside and out, we know their motivations now it's time for the 6 seasons of build up to start having a pay off. It's time for the white walkers to actually break down the wall and pose the threat we've been hearing about for years, it's time for Daenerys to actually try and take the Iron Throne instead of just talking about it for 6 seasons, it's time for Jon's lineage to come to light and the complications that come with that, it's time for Cersei to get her comeuppance etc.

And they have to fit all that in the last 2 seasons. Some things have to be cut.
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This.
We no longer need exposition through conversation. The main players are well known as are their ambitions and motivations. We are in the end game now. I would say however that this latest episode could have focused only on the magnificent 7. There was no need for the other locations as apart from an ambiguous scene between the Stark girls there wasn't really any other news.
I would have preferred more screen time for the stand off which would also have given more time for Gendry's marathon. Speaking of which, Marathon and Austerlitz referenced in one battle sequence.
 
RandomJ said:
Yes and you got 6 seasons of that. There is no real need for any of that now. We know the characters inside and out, we know their motivations now it's time for the 6 seasons of build up to start having a pay off. It's time for the white walkers to actually break down the wall and pose the threat we've been hearing about for years, it's time for Daenerys to actually try and take the Iron Throne instead of just talking about it for 6 seasons, it's time for Jon's lineage to come to light and the complications that come with that, it's time for Cersei to get her comeuppance etc.

And they have to fit all that in the last 2 seasons. Some things have to be cut.
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Not disputing that, but I think it's fair to say that GoT is not the same show it was for the first 5 seasons. It used to be a human drama of medieval politics with a fantasy backdrop, and now it is Marvel-esque fantasy. Some people prefer the former to the latter, myself included, because there a very few shows on TV of that ilk, yet there plenty of fanboy-type ensemble superhero shows (which I also like).

I think that by keeping it at ten episodes a season they could still have achieved all you just outlined without falling into so many plot holes and deus ex machinas. I don't think "We need to tie it up" is a valid excuse for compromising on the quality of the writing, but I suppose it's better than what's happened with The Walking Dead, where they've gone the opposite way and stretched things out too thinly.
 
Could you give me an example of a deus ex machina from the last few episodes as I'm not sure you understand what one is.
A previously know character arriving to save the day having been informed of the situation in a plausible and narrated manner is not deus ex machina.
 
rushts said:
The common theory of Dani, Jon and Tyrian riding the dragons into the final battle has been blown wide open tonight...
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It has for the shows, where I think explaining Tyrion's ancestry in an obvious enough way for a mass audience to pick up on would be too time consuming. It's taken us 6 seasons to have Jon's parentage confirmed and they can hardly go 'oh, and Tyrion's a Targaryen too'.

I think that the books might go the other way though (or at least introduce/prove a third Targaryen) as they have much more time and space to sow the seeds.
 
Wow great episode.
One thing I didn't get though why when it was first mentioned didn't Danny hop on one of her dragons fly over the wall to see first hand the walking dead (wrong show I know) it would have been like just popping to the shops for some milk!!
 
Gelsons Dad said:
Could you give me an example of a deus ex machina from the last few episodes as I'm not sure you understand what one is.
A previously know character arriving to save the day having been informed of the situation in a plausible and narrated manner is not deus ex machina.
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Benjen saving John out of absolute nowhere. Its happened few times throughout the show as well. Its doesnt necessarily have to be a new character just an unexpected power or event saving a seemingly hopeless situation
 
Who sent Brianne South? Arya with Sansa's face on or Sansa?? Thought Arya could only disguise herself as people who are dead?
 
Nice to see fan theories that have been around for years actually panning out. Viserion was the most upsetting part of episode 6. Break neck pace at the minute can't wait for Winds and ADoS to add all the filler and in all likelyhood a better story. Enjoying the show as well though.
 
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