Gareth Barry

mcfcliam said:
Damocles said:
What exactly "isn't he good at"? The things that he's needs to do, he's excellent at. He doesn't need pace, he doesn't need to be able to shoot, he doesn't need to be great in the air. He needs to be able to pass a ball, control a ball and read the game. Barry is usually excellent at all three, these are his main strengths.

Why "don't you rate him"?

Do you know why we play crab players? That whole slow tempo thing is quite purposeful; it's because we use them to shift the ball around as a link point for the movement of others. This allows everybody in front/side of Barry to test the defence of the opponent using their off the ball movement.

For example, think of Barry stood exactly on the centre spot, with play in front of him. Silva with the ball on the left wing has a bit of a go running at a defender or maybe Balo makes a bit of movement. If it works, Silva passes his man or gets the ball to Balo. If it doesn't work, he passes it back to Barry, who then has a look around the pitch and decides that Richards on the right wing can have a go. If Richards' movement doesn't work, it goes back to Barry who then thinks that maybe Yaya can have a go, etc.
The idea is that we keep possession through each phase of play - we can attack an opening, and if unsuccessful we don't lose the ball. This is why we look slow on the buildup, we are literally probing the opposition defence for weaknesses. This is another reason why Waddle is a fucking idiot; he cannot understand that charging all guns blazing through the centre gets you absolutely nowhere in this game and hasn't done since about 1935. He also like to say we play "Italian", which we don't. Turn on ESPN now, Milan and Juve are playing, Italian football is closer to what United play than what city play. We play closer to Dutch, for anybody who cares.

The above is a very simplified example but it makes the point; Barry is the conductor of the whole orchestra. This is why him and NDJ are such a fantastic pair to have in the centre. One conducts the orchestra, the other stops the other orchestra from playing.

Finally, Barry is paramount against teams like Wigan who come to park the bus. Because he shifts the play from one side to the other, the defensive organisation of teams has to change (as you attack from a different angle), and as soon as they slip, we exploit it.

As I say, Barry is very good at what he does and I'm not sure exactly what you think he's paid to do on the pitch.
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OWNED LEE!

Barry is the glue to the midfield, holds everything together...yes, I agree he gives away a lot of fouls but on form, he is good at picking up the ball in midfield and freeing the forward players...he's also an excellent game reader as Damocles said.

Knowing Barry is there means that the other midfield players can get into more space knowing that he is there to try and retain possession and start again if we lose the ball.

He does have his flaws but so do most players.

Just because he doesn't do the most glamorous of midfield jobs, people think he's shit.

I don't think Lee even came up with a valid response and it was quite a pathetic reply, no offence Lee.
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lad shut up its old now.
and hes shit IMO or cant i have an opinion?


sucking damocles off now when your always taking the piss out of him. ok then fella now thats what i call pathetic
 
lee-mcfc said:
mcfcliam said:
OWNED LEE!

Barry is the glue to the midfield, holds everything together...yes, I agree he gives away a lot of fouls but on form, he is good at picking up the ball in midfield and freeing the forward players...he's also an excellent game reader as Damocles said.

Knowing Barry is there means that the other midfield players can get into more space knowing that he is there to try and retain possession and start again if we lose the ball.

He does have his flaws but so do most players.

Just because he doesn't do the most glamorous of midfield jobs, people think he's shit.

I don't think Lee even came up with a valid response and it was quite a pathetic reply, no offence Lee.
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lad shut up its old now.
and hes shit IMO or cant i have an opinion?


sucking damocles off now when your always taking the piss out of him. ok then fella now thats what i call pathetic
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Me and Damocles have/had our differences but it doesn't mean I can't agree with his football opinion...I'm 'sucking him off' because I agree with him and you're being hostile because I don't agree with you? It's a football forum, for opinions.

When you make a post, you're expected to back it up, like Damocles did.

Oh, and Barry isn't shit.
 
I didn't think he had the best game for us today - gave the ball away too much.
 
mcfcliam said:
lee-mcfc said:
lad shut up its old now.
and hes shit IMO or cant i have an opinion?


sucking damocles off now when your always taking the piss out of him. ok then fella now thats what i call pathetic
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Me and Damocles have/had our differences but it doesn't mean I can't agree with his football opinion...I'm 'sucking him off' because I agree with him and you're being hostile because I don't agree with you? It's a football forum, for opinions.

When you make a post, you're expected to back it up, like Damocles did.

Oh, and Barry isn't shit.
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i didnt even see his reply as it was on the next page..
yes and MY opinion is that he is shit. you just said yourself everyone has different opinions.
 
lee-mcfc said:
mcfcliam said:
Me and Damocles have/had our differences but it doesn't mean I can't agree with his football opinion...I'm 'sucking him off' because I agree with him and you're being hostile because I don't agree with you? It's a football forum, for opinions.

When you make a post, you're expected to back it up, like Damocles did.

Oh, and Barry isn't shit.
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i didnt even see his reply as it was on the next page..
yes and MY opinion is that he is shit. you just said yourself everyone has different opinions.
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but yours is wrong on this occasion lee...........
 
Barry is a perfect pro and great to have in the squad.

His passing wasn't great today but he is always 100% commited.
 
He was very poor for us today (arguably our worst player) so sadly I just knew there would be a thread about him slagging the guy off.

Barry has been quality for us recently. Our early-season cohesion - that was the main reason we did so well - has evaporated somewhat lately as individuals have become precisely that - individuals.
Barry has been teh only player still keeping to the script and, like someone else has perfectly summed up, he's been the glue in our midfield.

My only gripe about a generally under-rated player is that he consistently gives away numerous cheap fouls by clambouring over players in an attempt to get to the ball when the sensible option is to simply jockey.
 
cookster said:
Barry is a perfect pro and great to have in the squad.

His passing wasn't great today but he is always 100% commited.
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This.


I think today was Barrys worst game this season and in other games his work does often go unnoticed. Stick him in midfield and it allows other players to get forward, its the same with England... in the WC when England were without Barry it was a shambles, even the media picked up on it saying Barry being injured cost us.

He's also one of our few players that just gets on with playing football and doesn't moan... one of the few England players not up to mischief either.

I agree with some posts... his passing was poor and there were many mistimed tackles. I think Mancini should of brought him off.
 
cookster said:
Barry is a perfect pro and great to have in the squad.

His passing wasn't great today but he is always 100% commited.
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To be fair mate it was dismal. I lost count how many times he gave the ball away and at least 2 or 3 Wigan chances came directly from Barry balls ups.

I was begging for him to be substituted to be honest.
 
theres a fucking bloke and woman (mostly the bloke, i dont think he likes black players either) who are a couple rows behind us in 110 who constantly slag every player off if they do the slightest thing today their victim was barry. i dont see why some people waste their money if all they are gunna do is moan and not get behind the team sad cunts.
 
what amuses me most is remembering all the threads proclaiming him this or that shortly after he was signed (not so long after he refused Liverpool) and put in a few matches for us, and now seeing all the barracking threads he gets.

it says much more about the people who post on these forums than it says about the player himself.

(at times it's a similar sort of deal with James Milner too)
 
The simple fact is, these "crab players" are criticised by some of their fanbase. Many United fans think Carrick is shit; up until he was the flavour of the month, Xavi was seen as a useless player at Barca (think about 3-5 years back) and even now guys like Barry get ripped.

The problem, is that their job isn't glamarous and entirely obvious. Goalkeepers save shots, strikers score goals, defenders/defensive mids win the ball, attacking mids get forward and help out. Possibly due to this, you can look at someone like Barry and wonder what the hell he does. He wins the ball every now and again, but apart from that, he doesn't do any of the above.

As he doesn't do any of the above, the criticism starts and then is picked up because people can't understand his role. This isn't a slight, I don't understand the fascination with Adam Johnson, who I believe to be a player who is 20 years late to make a truly world class player or at least needs a team plan built around him. He is as direct as you like, which isn't always a good thing and he is one dimensional at best.
Now, Capello and Mancini rate him, so they see something that I don't because of their greater knowledge, and I learn what in the coming seasons.
Also, I never understand people who criticise Ibra, who is probably the best striker in the world outside of Balo IMO.

Long story short, sometimes we look at players and just cannot 'get them'. I don't think that Lee was been a twat, I just thinks that he looks at Barry like I look at AJ and cannot see what the fuss is about.
 
I know full well whst his job is Damocles. He's been extremely valuable.

I also recognise a poor performance when I see one. Him being slow across the ground isn't a problem, it just means he absolutely cannot afford to be slow to read the game, as he was on several glaring occassions today.

I really used to like him but he's getting into bad habits. Pointing fingers at the fullback (who has just dealt with the situation Barry allowed to develop) really, really pisses me off.
 
jay_mcfc said:
Has been very good lately but poor today.

Vieira on the other hand was quite average
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Corrected....^^

Barry was poor, especially second half, but the whole midfield was w*nk in my opinion, even Paddy wasn't that great, we were mostly over run in midfield, and that's quite damning against Wigan.

That said the whole team were shite today, I couldn't think of a man of the match, maybe be Kompany, but even he wasn't great.

3 points though, so who the f**k cares ?
 
One of the few players where "tiredness" is more than just an excuse. He's played a lot of games lately and this is his first truly bad game. de Jong's return means he can sit out a game or two, which should hopefully help.
 
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