Gary Speed has died

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Timmmmahhhh said:
glen quagmire said:
I've no time for people who commit suicide.

I do believe in free speech though.

I agree, he may have "found peace" but his wife and kids never will.

Selfish act, no matter what the reason.

If you've never experienced the level of depression that leads to suicide then you have no clue what you are talking about.

I do know what I am talking about. I know what that moment feels like when you know (beyond a shadow of a doubt, because everything in your brain and your heart is telling you it is true) that you are so stupid and so worthless and so much trouble and such a shitty undeserving person that everyone would be better if you were gone.

And you can't get away from that feeling, it's everywhere, it surrounds you and colors every interaction you have, every relationship you have until doing anything but killing yourself seems incredibly, awfully selfish. Like staying alive just proves what an awful, horrific person you are. Like still being on earth is causing everyone you love so much trouble and hurt, and the only way to stop hurting them is to kill yourself.

I've been in that moment, and I was saved from it by an incredible person and an incredible team of doctors who did not call me selfish but instead treated the very real illness I was suffering from, just like they would have treated me if I had been dying of cancer.

I don't know if Gary Speed got to that moment, but if he did I can only mourn the fact that he died in so much pain and without being able to understand how loved he was.
 
BOBBYISOURLEADER said:
People may laugh at me for this but hey i'll say it anyway.

I honestly think the only explanation for unexplained suicides such as this one, where the person in question seemed so happy in life is that his body may have been possessed by a demon of some sort. No other explanation and been proved this can happen previously.

Truly awful. Hope his wife, family and close friends find gods strength to get them through this. I guess his wife must be on suicide watch as well currently, nobody can even begin to imagine the pain she must feel as well as his family and close friends.
How about we put the blame on the illuminati
 
BOBBYISOURLEADER said:
People may laugh at me for this but hey i'll say it anyway.

I honestly think the only explanation for unexplained suicides such as this one, where the person in question seemed so happy in life is that his body may have been possessed by a demon of some sort. No other explanation and been proved this can happen previously.

Truly awful. Hope his wife, family and close friends find gods strength to get them through this. I guess his wife must be on suicide watch as well currently, nobody can even begin to imagine the pain she must feel as well as his family and close friends.
we dont know what was going on inside his head. sometimes when people have it all, they feel empty like they have nothing. an actual demon? no chance. if your talkin about a metaphor of some sort then please elaborate
 
mannycity said:
Boycott the first trashy shite newspaper that try's to tarnish Gary speeds reputation,(the tap blog) all fair minded football fans together show these tabloid wankers,That no one is interested in their trash and don't buy a newspaper that wants to ruin his reputation,


No way I'm not boycotting anything.

I want the truth to out. I believe in a free press and the freedom of information, good or bad. I don't believe the powers that be, Government, media, military whoever, should keep the public in the dark and hide things from us. That's not the kind of society I want to live in. Whatever the reason for the suicide, if the press know they should tell us because if it's something bad then all the people weeping, wailing and leaving tributes are going to feel stupid. You can boycott what you want but, thankfully, we live in a free country and many millions of people (including me) actually buy the press because we want to find out information, so why would we boycott them for doing exactly what we buy the paper for - INFORMING US OF THE LATEST NEWS!!
 
bluecroi said:
Sometimes, sadly, the person that tries to keep everyone happy, and look after everyone else, is always the most lonely person, but they'll never say they need you.
Gary Speed, from what we've heard since his death, was a very well loved and respected man, that he was always there for everyone, cared about everyone, was great with the younger players, a great leader and nobody had a bad word to say about him. A true gent.

He was there for everyone it seems, but was there anyone there for him.
Football is a very tough game pressure wise, and you just wonder what we're watching these boys do to themselves. Top players, top manangers, the strain and stress and pressures they must be under are incredible.

You just got to wonder what happened, where it all went wrong. Remember back to when football was about..football. When you were a small one and saw those lads on the pitch on the telly and 10 minutes later you were out on the green with everyone else, 20 odd kids and a dog running after a ball. It wasn't about hatred or pressures, referee decisions or mistakes, or more importantly it wasn't about the business side of it, it wasn't about the media. It was about having fun. You and your mates and a game you loved, you were a small nipper and hell it was just about the beautiful game, and you played and played until you shouted at to come back in for your tea or until you couldn't see the ball anymore it was so dark. Those summer days seemed endless..and an eternity ago.
It was about joy and the fun, and getting muddy.

The culture of the English game is brutal, it's about resilliance, it's very English, it's show no emotion, show no weaknesses, until such times when there are pauses in the games where a bit of the real world floods in between the cracks.

The likes of Hillsborough, deaths, of players, of outside tragedies, natural disasters, things the sadden us for a moment, but sadly, that moment passes quicker than it came. But these things are recognised briefly and football, just like life moves on.

Yesterday we saw an exterme example of it in the Villa Swansea game, in all honesty it looked like both teams just collapsed on to the pitch, kicked the ball around, gave it a go, but their minds were in a different place. There were players there who were in no state of mind to play the game. Yes they were asked and said they'd play, but it just shouldn't have gone ahead.

Shay Given could barely see running towards his goals he was crying so much, he wasn't a bit upset, he was broken, he was weeping, had he not been told by Shearer earlier in the day and instead minutes before the game there was no way he could have played, James Collins was very upset as well, looked white as a ghost. They all did. A very sombre picture of the minutes silence.
Nobody seemed annoyed or bothered when the final whistle went. It was a tribute to him that they played but in so many ways they shouldn't have.

Football is a tough sport, an unforgiving, macho game, no support, no second chances. Gone are the days of long serving players, 5 minutes at one club, 10 at another etc. Who do you turn to when things get hard?

Sadly we'll move on quickly from it, and we'll have players running around like crazy celebrating goals, arguing bookings, sending offs etc. But the pain doesn't stop there, not for Given, Bellamy, etc all players who have been deeply hurt by it all.
But they'll tog out and be expected to play on, and we'll watch on with a sense of unease.

And for players with problems, they'll go unsaid, why? Because football is not the environment for any show of perceived weakness.

He'd everything to live for, sickening to think it's all over like that.
When we watch the next City game or we're shouting at another "Fergie moment" and thinking how unfair it is, give a thought to Gary Speed's family.
Football was such an important part of their lives, and now, to think it could have been a contribution to the death of a father and a husband.
What made him do it, we might never know, but you have to think that problems with the game was at the heart of it.

It makes you wonder when did all the fun and joy get drained out of us. That magic.
When did it become ok that we spread so much hate, when you have thousands of people shouting hate and homophobic/racist chants or just blindly insulting people without a second thought.

What the hell has happened to the game. That isn't my football, that's not what I grew up with.
Oh back to the days where you biggest worry was going home with a ruined pair of pants you promised you wouldn't play football in. We got lost somewhere along the way.
Pity it's sad circumstances like this that help us remember what we have.

great post

- you're not the Secret Footballer are you?
 
LoveCity said:
If it's true that The Sun were going to out him as gay*, that disgusting newspaper again has blood on its hands and much to answer for.

* Allegedly

Actually it was (allegedly) the Daily Star NOT The Sun!!<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 29, 2011 2:38 am --<br /><br /><a class="postlink" href="http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3965701/Cruel-dog-owner-wants-compo.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;">http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/ne ... compo.html</a>

This ^^^^^^^^^^ is the tip of the iceberg, Law of unintended consequences when it comes to Privacy Law.
 
For people to say we shouldn't speculate is ridiculous. It's human nature to want to know why a seemingly happy millionaire with wife and kids took his own life. I can't imagine how any parent could do something like this unless there was something incredibly serious going on. It has to be affair, abuse or illness related.
 
intheknow! said:
mannycity said:
Boycott the first trashy shite newspaper that try's to tarnish Gary speeds reputation,(the tap blog) all fair minded football fans together show these tabloid wankers,That no one is interested in their trash and don't buy a newspaper that wants to ruin his reputation,
No way I'm not boycotting anything.

I want the truth to out. I believe in a free press and the freedom of information, good or bad. I don't believe the powers that be, Government, media, military whoever, should keep the public in the dark and hide things from us. That's not the kind of society I want to live in. Whatever the reason for the suicide, if the press know they should tell us because if it's something bad then all the people weeping, wailing and leaving tributes are going to feel stupid. You can boycott what you want but, thankfully, we live in a free country and many millions of people (including me) actually buy the press because we want to find out information, so why would we boycott them for doing exactly what we buy the paper for - INFORMING US OF THE LATEST NEWS!!
Eh? Crossed wires here, aren't there?

mannycity says don't buy trashy newspapers that publish rumours, innuendo and speculation just to increase their sales. intheknow! says let the truth be told.

The inquest is set for today. The outcome will be reported on the TV, radio and internet before the end of the day. The broadsheet papers will put it in context tomorrow for those who don't read online. The tabloids will print their rumours, innuendo and speculation tomorrow. Why anyone would want to buy those rags ever, for any reason, is totally beyond me, but I guess some will still get their 'news' there.<br /><br />-- Tue Nov 29, 2011 8:34 am --<br /><br />
Anthony_18 said:
Dunno how true this is but 'apparently' his wife's statement said they had a 'massive row' on Saturday night and he locked himself away.
Where did you hear/read that?

Telegraph is saying Gary Speed: Wales football manager 'did not have row with wife before death' so I'd like to know where you and others heard that nasty and disrespectful rumour/speculation/lie.
 
So no history of depression whatsoever, no argument with his family, no money troubles, a job he loved and was doing very well at, kids he adored, greatly respected and loved man from nearly anyone that met him

WHY?

Is all i ask, so sad and with no answers to the question it will leave a big hole in peoples lives
 
intheknow! said:
mannycity said:
Boycott the first trashy shite newspaper that try's to tarnish Gary speeds reputation,(the tap blog) all fair minded football fans together show these tabloid wankers,That no one is interested in their trash and don't buy a newspaper that wants to ruin his reputation,


No way I'm not boycotting anything.

I want the truth to out. I believe in a free press and the freedom of information, good or bad. I don't believe the powers that be, Government, media, military whoever, should keep the public in the dark and hide things from us. That's not the kind of society I want to live in. Whatever the reason for the suicide, if the press know they should tell us because if it's something bad then all the people weeping, wailing and leaving tributes are going to feel stupid. You can boycott what you want but, thankfully, we live in a free country and many millions of people (including me) actually buy the press because we want to find out information, so why would we boycott them for doing exactly what we buy the paper for - INFORMING US OF THE LATEST NEWS!!
It may be that very search for 'news' that has led to his death.
 
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