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[I'm With Stupid]

Why is the new Director doing this?

New BBC director-general 'set to tackle Left-wing comedy bias'

Tim Davie, the former chief executive of commercial arm BBC Studios, has replaced Lord Tony Hall

www.standard.co.uk

Who would have thought that a former Conservative council candidate, and former deputy chairman of his local Conservative party would have a problem with comedians make jokes about a Conservative government?

 

[Rascal]

Well, you are wrong, certainly about those you blithely declare as 'Far side of the political spectrum.' This forum is dominated by left wing opinion, which is fair enough, to each their own, and to a man/woman all defence of the BBC comes from that side, again understandable, as it chimes with their stance.
Alternative platforms are rubbished, and claimed they're filled with fascists/racists/ gammon etc; anything to disparage, which makes me smile, as it doesn't reflect the majority.

It is dominated by Liberal and centrist opinion, there are very left wingers on the forum.

As a left winger can you point to me where i have called anybody a gammon or a racist, i have used fascists as a comparable but not as an accusation.

I do disparage the Tories but that is justified by the fact they are totally inept and led by a man who would be better suited to a job in Billy Smart's circus.

Prof Angie Maxwell, a political scientist of the university of Arkansas said of "the silent majority" a phrase first coined by Nixon in 1968, that the phrase appealed to those who liked their "racism polite" meaning they didn't want to oppose virulent racism. Thus the "silent majority" came to emphasise the status quo of conservative values. It is now used in the sense of justifying a position that has not actually been proven to be correct. It has crept into the UK political lexicon and surprise surprise who uses it most. Farage.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Who would have thought that a former Conservative council candidate, and former deputy chairman of his local Conservative party would have a problem with comedians make jokes about a Conservative government?

Nobody. That's exactly the point, because the BBC exclusively uses left wing
individuals, its staff overwhelmingly being left wing, the pendulum will swing,
but unless he succeeds, they're going to take yet another hit.
But I'm not bothered if anyone is upset about a new channel, nobody is stopping you watching whatever you like, I'm just amused at the attacks on it,
if it doesn't chime it'll crash and burn, if the BBC is an impartial competitor, won't it?

 

[I'm With Stupid]

Nobody. That's exactly the point, because the BBC exclusively uses left wing
individuals, its staff overwhelmingly being left wing, the pendulum will swing,
but unless he succeeds, they're going to take yet another hit.
But I'm not bothered if anyone is upset about a new channel, nobody is stopping you watching whatever you like, I'm just amused at the attacks on it,
if it doesn't chime it'll crash and burn, if the BBC is an impartial competitor, won't it?

Not necessarily. I think newspapers and social media show that people don't necessarily want impartial content, they want to have their existing points of view confirmed. But that's why we regulate TV news, because it's considered (rightly or wrongly) more powerful.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

It is dominated by Liberal and centrist opinion, there are very left wingers on the forum.

As a left winger can you point to me where i have called anybody a gammon or a racist, i have used fascists as a comparable but not as an accusation.

I know you haven't mate, I'm not accusing you personally, but a brief glimpse of the thread tells you these terms are used. I'm not bothered, I'm just a contributor giving an alternative viewpoint.

 

[Ancient Citizen]

Not necessarily. I think newspapers and social media show that people don't necessarily want impartial content, they want to have their existing points of view confirmed. But that's why we regulate TV news, because it's considered (rightly or wrongly) more powerful.

Again true, so I don't really understand what we're arguing about.
Virtually everybody on here holds left wing views, so their posts reflect that with quotes and snips from left wing papers/commentators.
Regulation is fine, it's always been there, lying in a newspaper is an offence,
as is broadcasting outright untruths (by design, not in error).
So, the BBC, Guardian, Mirror, etc; present news, but they do it from a left wing perspective, the Telegraph is the opposite, both are not illegal.
I've just seen on here why Ofcom haven't stepped in, why should they?

 

[ROCKET80]

And you disagree with mine, and the reason is a dismissal of BBC bias.
This, of course is expected and there's no point in a to and fro, but it's clear
that all its supporters are of the left, its presenters make no effort not to proclaim as such on social media. You are quite right about targeted demographics, Fox etc; have a right wing stance, CNN, MSNBC, a left wing stance, you probably lean towards the latter two, I don't. So we consume
what we like, and everyone is free to do so.
So because of this, Neil has started this channel, which I believe will do well, but if the Beeb has balanced, unbiased content, like you allege,
it will fail, won't it?

A list of quotes from former and current presenters, the first from that
reactionary bastard Andrew Marr ;)

In Their Own Words

When people ask for evidence of an institutional Left-wing bias at the BBC, this is the place to go for evidence. Out of the mouths of Beeboids…. The BBC is “a publicly-funded urban org…

biasedbbc.org

Why is the new Director doing this?

New BBC director-general 'set to tackle Left-wing comedy bias'

Tim Davie, the former chief executive of commercial arm BBC Studios, has replaced Lord Tony Hall

www.standard.co.uk

I'm thinking you don't follow many 'left-wingers' on social media, as they are very vocal about their perceived BBC bias towards the right. I agree the loudest of the BBC detractors tends to be a specific group, a term coined by the themselves here would be suitable...Snowflakes?...I jest.

I doubt you'll find any in the centre, or those who lean slightly either side of it, proclaiming bias on social media. You'll find many critical of journalists and noticing their own political leanings (towards both sides), but thinking the whole News and Political coverage as being 'left wing' is fantasy.

The BBC won't fail because it is still the most trusted news source in the UK (and also very high on lists overseas too) the silent majority that condemn it is actually a vocal minority.

Yes we consume what we like but News and Politics shouldn't be treated like sport, tv and film. The more news channels that are allowed to spring up that act as propaganda machines for which ever political party they support is dangerous to society. A Britain as divided as it is now will only become more so.

Also is posting those sources a form of Right Wing comedy?

 

[Ancient Citizen]

I'm thinking you don't follow many 'left-wingers' on social media, as they are very vocal about their perceived BBC bias towards the right. I agree the loudest of the BBC detractors tends to be a specific group, a term coined by the themselves here would be suitable...Snowflakes?...I jest.

I doubt you'll find any in the centre, or those who lean slightly either side of it, proclaiming bias on social media. You'll find many critical of journalists and noticing their own political leanings (towards both sides), but thinking the whole News and Political coverage as being 'left wing' is fantasy.

The BBC won't fail because it is still the most trusted news source in the UK (and also very high on lists overseas too) the silent majority that condemn it is actually a vocal minority.

Yes we consume what we like but News and Politics shouldn't be treated like sport, tv and film. The more news channels that are allowed to spring up that act as propaganda machines for which ever political party they support is dangerous to society. A Britain as divided as it is now will only become more so.

Also is posting those sources a form of Right Wing comedy?

No comedy involved, simply a list of BBC presenters and journalists telling
it how it is. The BBC won't be going just yet, but around half a million have already sacked it, and apparently, it's difficult to get through to cancel,
which is not good for them, as plenty more seem to want to do so. Apart from news, young people are increasingly consuming online sources for entertainment in general, times are changing fast. Still, we both have our
view of this, mine is that this new venture will flourish.

 

[Rascal]

Again true, so I don't really understand what we're arguing about.
Virtually everybody on here holds left wing views, so their posts reflect that with quotes and snips from left wing papers/commentators.
Regulation is fine, it's always been there, lying in a newspaper is an offence,
as is broadcasting outright untruths (by design, not in error).
So, the BBC, Guardian, Mirror, etc; present news, but they do it from a left wing perspective, the Telegraph is the opposite, both are not illegal.
I've just seen on here why Ofcom haven't stepped in, why should they?

How right wing are you AC?

If you think the Guardian reports from a left wing perspective, you have to be to the right of Genghis Khan. The Grauniad is the epitome of wholly metro liberal lentil eating middle class media

There is only one true left wing media source in the whole of the UK and that is the venerable Morning Star

 

[bluethrunthru]

as Dan Wooton announces he is joining GB News this is an interesting question

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

as Dan Wooton announces he is joining GB News this is an interesting question

I suppose worryingly its all about where you define the centre as being. It's an opportunity missed for Neil I think as he's actually an excellent interviewer, and although rw very much of the Bernard Manning / Jeremy Paxman school of being a **** to all his guests. I think there are issues for the bbc to address as even if you don't like the Tories it just gets a bit boring when certain shows become an anti govt tirade like an 80's Ben Elton stand up.

 

[bluethrunthru]

I suppose worryingly its all about where you define the centre as being. It's an opportunity missed for Neil I think as he's actually an excellent interviewer, and although rw very much of the Bernard Manning / Jeremy Paxman school of being a **** to all his guests. I think there are issues for the bbc to address as even if you don't like the Tories it just gets a bit boring when certain shows become an anti govt tirade like an 80's Ben Elton stand up.

just watched someone describe Desmond Swayne as a moderate..............................

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Had to google him - see what you mean. He probably needs to get a MAGA baseball cap t go with his rhetoric. I'd imagine if he didn't have an anti-vax thing going he'd probably be doing a nice line in holocaust denial.

 

[meltonblue]

I suppose worryingly its all about where you define the centre as being. It's an opportunity missed for Neil I think as he's actually an excellent interviewer, and although rw very much of the Bernard Manning / Jeremy Paxman school of being a **** to all his guests. I think there are issues for the bbc to address as even if you don't like the Tories it just gets a bit boring when certain shows become an anti govt tirade like an 80's Ben Elton stand up.

Which shows are you thinking of there?

Most of the satirical ones I’ve seen had a field day with Corbyn too. There will always be more satire directed towards the tories though because they’re the ones in charge.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Which shows are you thinking of there?

Most of the satirical ones I’ve seen had a field day with Corbyn too. There will always be more satire directed towards the tories though because they’re the ones in charge.

The ones that aren't having a field day with Starmer.

 

[meltonblue]

The ones that aren't having a field day with Starmer.

Ok, you reckon he’s as ripe for satire as other members of Labour, let alone Boris? That’s not to say I havent seen them to do it, so is there shows in particular?

It’s not as if any previous prime minister wasn’t also their main object of attention.

 

[Ric]

The ones that aren't having a field day with Starmer.

Presumably that’s because he’s a fairly mundane figure though, rather than any institutional bias.

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Ok, you reckon he’s as ripe for satire as other members of Labour, let alone Boris? That’s not to say I havent seen them to do it, so is there shows in particular?

It’s not as if any previous prime minister wasn’t also their main object of attention.

Presumably that’s because he’s a fairly mundane figure though, rather than any institutional bias.

Both fair points - and yes I suppose it's inevitable (and perhaps healthy) that the sitting govt / incumbent PM will get the most stick. I'm not one of the defund the beeb lobby btw, apart from perhaps Simon Stone and Robbie Savage I think they do a decent job. the fact that both the lw and rw posters on here often think the bbc is against them suggests they may be doing ok

 

[meltonblue]

Both fair points - and yes I suppose it's inevitable (and perhaps healthy) that the sitting govt / incumbent PM will get the most stick. I'm not one of the defund the beeb lobby btw, apart from perhaps Simon Stone and Robbie Savage I think they do a decent job. the fact that both the lw and rw posters on here often think the bbc is against them suggests they may be doing ok

Yeah me too.

There is the added point with the satire stuff that, as an example, Boris used to present HIGNFY himself and has intentionally made himself an object of ridicule countless times so I imagine even he considers himself fair game

 

[Mazzarelli's Swiss Cheese]

Yeah me too.

There is the added point with the satire stuff that, as an example, Boris used to present HIGNFY himself and has intentionally made himself an object of ridicule countless times so I imagine even he considers himself fair game

Indeed, worrying that someone who 10 years ago was almost a joke choice of stand-in host of a gameshow is now running the country. Never let it be said the bbc doesn't have an eye for talent :-0