Gender Neutral language

[Gelsons Dad]

 

[hilts]

Or Geoff.

My Swedish neighbours kid Manny Karlson is in so much shit

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

If people were actually being fined $250k for making a genuine mistake then I think that's big problem (has it actually happened though?).

I think there are a few gender neutral pronouns floating around as people haven't settled on one yet /wider society hasn't accepted one. "They" usually does the job in a lot of cases though and I think most would settle for at least being referred to in a neutral way rather than as something they are not.

People get very panicked with scare stories about how they're going to be expected to learn in excess of 30 new gender idenities. I honestly don't think anyone is being told they have to do that. That said, nobody freaks out about how many different names there are out there? Hundreds. We mange to remember what our friends, family, work colleagues etc are all called without routinely getting their names wrong.

Do you not see any problems though with compelled speech?

It's one thing enacting laws etc which restricts/prohibits certain types of speech, but bringing in laws to actually make people say things is bonkers.
I can just see it now. Instead of 'Had a trip or fall that wasn't your fault. Call 0800 616161. No win no fee' it will be 'Been called something other than your preferred pronoun. Call now. No win no fee'

 

[hilts]

Or Sam. Oh

Very much considered too female these days I believe it’s worse than calling your kid princess

 

[inchy14]

If people were actually being fined $250k for making a genuine mistake then I think that's big problem (has it actually happened though?).

I think there are a few gender neutral pronouns floating around as people haven't settled on one yet /wider society hasn't accepted one. "They" usually does the job in a lot of cases though and I think most would settle for at least being referred to in a neutral way rather than as something they are not.

People get very panicked with scare stories about how they're going to be expected to learn in excess of 30 new gender idenities. I honestly don't think anyone is being told they have to do that. That said, nobody freaks out about how many different names there are out there? Hundreds. We mange to remember what our friends, family, work colleagues etc are all called without routinely getting their names wrong.

If someone said ‘they’ whilst I was there when talking about me, I call them a **** and ask why they haven’t asked me in the first place.
Just another excuse for people to be ‘offended’ over fuck all in reality.
Christ the world we live in.

 

[Ghandi's Flip Flops]

You mean you were born with a cock and you still consider yourself a male?

That sort of thing now has a name does it?

Fucking hell.

 

[geoff clipp]

Do you not see any problems though with compelled speech?

It's one thing enacting laws etc which restricts/prohibits certain types of speech, but bringing in laws to actually make people say things is bonkers.
I can just see it now. Instead of 'Had a trip or fall that wasn't your fault. Call 0800 616161. No win no fee' it will be 'Been called something other than your preferred pronoun. Call now. No win no fee'

Yes I do see a problem with compelled speech. I don't think at any point in this thread have i said people should be forced to do or say anything. My initial point was it would be quite good to actually have the full details of the story (my main concern being it's the kind of people seize upon these days without the full facts.)

My point main point is I really don't understand why people have such a massive problem with basic manners. If somebody asks to be referred to in a certain way, or is saying "actually, it makes me feel really shit when i'm addressed like that but nobody has ever asked me about it before", then i don't get why people feel so threatened at being asked to have a think about it. We're not compelled or forced by law to address all kinds of people in all kinds of ways, but we pretty much all do what we're asked out of common courtesy and have done for generations. Some people seem hell bent on not extending that courtesy to any other groups, indeed some people want to be seen to be forced to do so so that they have something to whinge about.

 

[geoff clipp]

LOL, i'm sure the people that created those memes are really great people.

 

[SWP's back]

My initial point was it would be quite good to actually have the full details of the story (my main concern being it's the kind of people seize upon these days without the full facts.)

It say in the OP, he asked for a male colleagues thoughts and a female colleagues feelings.

 

[feelymcfeel]

If I had a pound for every gender there was, I'd have £2.